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Drive It Like You Mean It: Lessons from the Commercial and Recreational 4WD Worlds

In this episode of the Overland Journal Podcast, hosts Scott Brady and Matt Scott welcome Chris Walker, professional trainer, explorer, and head of Tirion Safety. Chris has trained everyone from oil crews in Alberta to expedition drivers across Europe and Canada. The conversation delves into the real-world differences between commercial and recreational 4WD training—and what the recreational world can borrow from professionals. The episode wraps up with Chris’s ethos surrounding vehicle setup: simple, sorted, and built to drive—not to impress.

Overland Journal Podcast Episode 244

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Guest Bio

Chris Walker

Chris Walker is a professional 4WD trainer with decades of experience in both the commercial and recreational off-road world. As the head of Tirion Safety—Canada’s largest commercial off-road training company—Chris works with utility companies, resource crews, and government teams navigating the most technical terrain in North America. He’s also a Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society and a member of the Explorers Club.

Host Bios

Scott Brady

Scott is the executive publisher and co-founder of Expedition Portal and Overland Journal and is often credited with popularizing overlanding in North America. His travels by 4WD and adventure motorcycle span all seven continents and include three circumnavigations of the globe. His polar expeditions include two vehicle crossings of Antarctica and the first long-axis crossing of Greenland. @scott.a.brady

Matt Scott

Matthew is a leading expert in automotive adventure. He has extensively explored the world’s most remote places by 4WD and is considered an industry authority on overland travel. He is the only American to ever become an editor of a major Australian 4WD publication and has over 15 years of competitive auto racing experience. @mattexplore

Listen to Overland Journal Podcast Episode #242: Tanner Johnson on Building and Maintaining Expedition Vehicles

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Ashley Giordano completed a 48,800-kilometer overland journey from Canada to Argentina with her husband, Richard, in their well-loved but antiquated Toyota pickup. On the zig-zag route south, she hiked craggy peaks in the Andes, discovered diverse cultures in 15 different countries, and filled her tummy with spicy ceviche, Baja fish tacos, and Argentinian Malbec. As Senior Editor at Overland Journal, you can usually find Ashley buried in a pile of travel books, poring over maps, or writing about the unsung women of overlanding history. @desktoglory_ash