Building the Jeep Gladiator for Overlanding

Scott Brady

Scott Brady is an adventurer, author, and publisher, and the first person in history to cross all seven continents. Brady is executive publisher of the Overland Collective, home to Overland Journal, the Overland Journal Podcast, and expeditionportal.com—the world’s largest vehicle-dependent adventure community. Scott wrote Overlanding 101 (Simon & Schuster) and is currently riding around the world on his BMW GS. He also led Expeditions 7, the first expedition to drive the same vehicle on all seven continents. Brady’s polar crossings include Antarctica and a south–north crossing of the Greenland ice sheet. Scott is a fellow of the Explorers Club and lives in Prescott, Arizona.

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Matt Scott

Matt is a leading expert in automotive adventure. He has extensively explored the world’s most remote places by 4WD and is considered an industry authority on overland travel. He is the only American to ever become an editor of a major Australian 4WD publication and has over 15 years of competitive auto racing experience. @mattexplore

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Transcript

Scott Brady: [00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal Podcast. I am your host, Scott Brady, and I am here with my co-host, Matt Scott. And you just got back from Baja.

Matt Scott: Yeah, like three weeks down in Baja-

Scott Brady: That’s amazing. I love, I

Matt Scott: love it down there … in the, in my new Jeep Gladiator. Well, it’s not necessarily new anymore.

Scott Brady: It isn’t.

Matt Scott: Just hit 15,000 miles on it. Um-

Scott Brady: That’s right …

Matt Scott: but we’re talking about building a Jeep Gladiator today. Yeah.

Scott Brady: Yeah, we’re gonna talk all about Gladiator. We’re gonna talk about which model to purchase, what are the f- some of the first things that you should do to modify it, additional accessories around camping and overlanding, in general, suspension.

Yeah. I think we’re gonna talk about all those important topics. A- and it’s, it’s certainly timely because the vehicle’s incredibly popular, and now, now there’s enough of them on the road that people are starting to modify them, not just the, the big aftermarket companies that were able to get some of the early ones.

But you actually got one of the very first Gladiators off the line. Wasn’t it a special package or something?

Matt Scott: So it was actually, um, [00:01:00] one of the Gladiators that was pre-spec. So the dealer said, you know, something along the lines of, “Yes, give me the Gladiator.” We’re allocated a certain amount before the specifications were announced.

Um, so mine has basically the options it has are yes, it has pretty much everything. It was prior to the Trail Cam being announced. But yeah, so mine’s probably within the first, you know, few hundred bins. Um, you know, normally that kinda means, you know, alarm bells go off for reliability and things like that, but zero issues.

I love this thing. Yeah, it’s been

Scott Brady: really good for you. And, and I would say that your Gladiator has been probably between yours and Clay’s Odin Gladiator, some of the two more better traveled Gladiators in the country.

Matt Scott: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, definitely. I mean, like I said, 15,000 miles on mine. I got it, you know, two days before Overland Expo.

Um, and I, I don’t drive it every day. It’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s a vehicle that we’ve spent, we’ve invested some money into in terms of, you know, the [00:02:00] AT Overland Summit camper, and the lithium batteries and, and, and, and very specific modifications enough that we don’t wanna drive it every day, um, ’cause that would, you know, kinda just wear the vehicle out prematurely.

So- It does … 15,000 miles of adventure. We drove it out to Overland Expo after it was kinda first built with the camper and everything, and, you know, just got back from a, you know- I don’t know what do you wanna call it, a traverse or whatever, all the way down Baja, all the way to Cabo. Had my, had my tacos down in Cabo and came back.

Um, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s been a really good vehicle. I have to say that I’m, I’m pleasantly surprised with it. You know, it- inside it gets maybe a little bit cramped, um, in the passenger compartment, and that’s when you recognize that it is-

Scott Brady: Still a Jeep.

Matt Scott: Yeah … still a Jeep Wrangler. But, you know, still more spacious than, let’s say, a Defender 130, which was always my kinda, you know, dream car, and then this comes out, and

Scott Brady: having- Yeah, it is the modern equivalent of a Defender 130

Matt Scott: yeah, and having spent quite a bit of time in a 130, this is- Way more comfortable … at least [00:03:00] 1.5 times better.

Scott Brady: Yeah.

Matt Scott: I mean, it’s, um, it, it’s a modern car. It has radar cruise control. It’s relatively powerful, I think.

Scott Brady: Sure.

Matt Scott: Um-

Scott Brady: Especially with that new transmission. I think it made a huge difference.

Matt Scott: Yeah, that, that eight-speed.

You know, that’s the same eight-speed that BMW uses in almost all of their vehicles. It’s in, it’s in all Bentley products. It’s in all Rolls-Royce products. It is a, it is a fantastic transmission.

Scott Brady: Yeah, you really can feel it. I, I think it’s a great pairing to that 3.6 motor. Yeah. Yeah. So, so what, what made you decide to buy one?

I mean, you do have, uh, vehicle ADD, but-

Matt Scott: Yes, we know that. We, we do know that I have vehicle ADD. Um-

Scott Brady: But what, what made you decide after all of these years of choosing to have more obscure vehicles-

Matt Scott: Yeah …

Scott Brady: what made you decide to buy a, to buy a Jeep, and, and what made you think that it needed to be the Gladiator?

What was the thing that actually made you decide to make that big purchase?

Matt Scott: Um, oh, that’s… it’s, it’s a little bit tough. I mean, you know, I, I, I had [00:04:00] definitely always been interested in the concept of a Jeep pickup truck, you know. Um, you know, I guess when I started with Overland Journal, we had that, we had that AEV Brute, and I- You did

drove that a little bit. And just the, the concept of it was just really nice. Like, that had, in my mind, always been a vehicle that had really great proportions. Um, it was purpose-built. I think that’s, that’s the reason why I’m, I, I fell for it so much. Um, it-

Scott Brady: It does feel like- It’s a pickup truck built for off-road

it does feel

Matt Scott: like a very

Scott Brady: honest vehicle to me. Yeah, yeah. And that’s what I like about, uh, that’s what I like about the current Wrangler. They’ve not done anything to it to really screw it up.

Matt Scott: Yeah.

Scott Brady: And so many car manufacturers have taken long-standing brands, models, and really kinda screwed ’em up.

Matt Scott: Yeah, they’ve turned ’em into crossovers or some kinda shared platform thing.

Scott Brady: Right. Yeah, isn’t the Blazer some… It’s got a- I mean, it used to be, used to be a solid axle, could take some- It’s

Matt Scott: like some kinda Chevy sedan thing now- It is. It is … or, or whatever. But-

Scott Brady: Yeah, the Gladiator seems really honest to me, particularly in that [00:05:00] sport configuration with the max tow package, max payload.

Matt Scott: It- Yeah …

Scott Brady: I really like it.

Matt Scott: You know, I- I don’t know. I love the thing. It, it’s a very personal vehicle for me, right? I mean, like, I’ve known Mark Allen, who’s the head of design for, for Jeep for quite a while now. Um, you know, I know the guy that helped design the tires. I know the guy that designed the camper.

And I … It, it’s just personal to me, I think. I, I think that the Jeep team, I’ve, I’ve seen the changes that they’ve made. I’ve, I’ve … I see the feedback that they take from people. I see how they- Mm-hmm … actually listen. I see how they’re actually out on the trail. Um, y- y- you can’t fake driving skill, you know?

And when journalists can’t get through something, like we just did the Rubicon and Gladiators stock with, uh, the two co-head engineers, Pete and Liz for the Gladiator, Mark, who’s the head of design, and, um, Jim Morrison, not from The Doors, but the, um, you know, the CEO now of Jeep. And y- you can’t fake driving skill, and all of those guys are

You know, they’re driving manual versions through the [00:06:00] hardest obstacles there, ’cause they were, you know, probably the only ones that, that could. ‘

Scott Brady: Cause, ’cause most of the journalists couldn’t drive

Matt Scott: manual transmissions. Yeah, surprisingly. But, you know, for the journalists that were also on that trip, I’m sorry, but it’s true.

Um, yeah, it’s just, it’s just an honest vehicle, you know? Yeah. It has great approach angles. You know, the, the break-over angle’s not, not super great, but that never really bothered me because I knew the moment I saw that Way Out concept at Easter Jeep Safari that I was gonna put it on 37s. 37s fit.

Scott Brady: They look perfect.

Matt Scott: They look perfect. They fit with a two-inch factory lift. I mean, I, I bought the vehicle, and then they put the lift kit on it. It, it was, it was fine. I mean, the, the, the rear shock’s absolutely horrible. Like, they had- They, they were, they were so close, you know? They used … Basically it was a two and a half inch Fox shock with, uh, uh, factory- Or

Scott Brady: was it under dampened or too

Was the damping too firm or …

Matt Scott: Um, it, it just had no [00:07:00] dampening-

Scott Brady: Ah, got it …

Matt Scott: at all. Um-

Scott Brady: So it would just blow through the travel.

Matt Scott: Yeah, just no, no compression, no rebound. It … And it was like, you know, I, I don’t know how to explain it. Like-

Scott Brady: That’s interesting ’cause the, the max tow capacity, max payload unit that I drove actually drove really nice.

Matt Scott: Yeah.

Scott Brady: So the rear shock was fine, was fine on that. Well, this,

Matt Scott: this is the aftermarket Mopar thing I should say, right? Right.

Scott Brady: Yeah. So they- Um- They didn’t get the tuning

Matt Scott: right … spring rate’s great. Front shock’s great. I’m on my second set of rear shocks at this point. Yeah. Um, you know, basically waiting for the aftermarket to kinda continually embrace this vehicle.

I have some Kings on order. Um-

Scott Brady: So for the Overlander, who … What would you say is the, is the right model to buy in your opinion?

Matt Scott: You know, I, I really think it’s whatever you can afford. Um, you know, Scott, I think you have a lot of points with the, the Sport with that max tow package. I think now that you can get those wide track Dana 44 axles on every model, um, you know, outside of the [00:08:00] Rubicon, you just have to have that max tow package.

Um, and those come with 411s. I don’t know if it necessarily really matters anymore. I mean, normally I would say go with the Rubicon because then you get, you know-

Scott Brady: So there’s some advantage- You get the additional strength … there’s definitely some advantages. You end up with locking differentials-

Matt Scott: Yeah, I-

Scott Brady: which I think can be, can be a real advantage. Although I was surprised by how effective the traction control was.

Matt Scott: Yeah, you have modern traction control on the JL and JT platform now, so.

Scott Brady: And, and I, I think that just install- with that long wheelbase, just putting an air locker in the back could be a pretty good solution.

Matt Scott: Yeah.

Scott Brady: And then you have the factory high payload number, which is now 1,700 pounds-

Matt Scott: Mm-hmm …

Scott Brady: of payload. That’s significant. It’s, it’s, it’s more than any other compact pickup on the market, more than the Tacoma, more than the Colorado. It’s more than any of the other compact

Matt Scott: pickups. And you have half ton components.

Um, you know, the, the brakes are large. I, I’ll use mine for an example. You know, [00:09:00] large tires. Um, you know, I’m right with, with people right at gross vehicle weight. Um, and it drives like a normal vehicle. Like, it, it just enhance- Like, the, the platform was designed with modification in mind, and I think that that is the largest thing that separates it from, let’s say, a Ranger that, you know, probably rubs with a 33-inch tire- Right

or Tacoma that if you wanna put 35s on, it requires fenders and long travel and this and that. Um, Jeep just kinda knows, like, yeah.

Scott Brady: They’re really good at it.

Matt Scott: Yeah. Like, they, they get it. They understand. I mean, they’re at, they’re at all the events. They know, um, 35 stock with no lift, 37s with, uh, with my factory lift, I do not rub at all.

Scott Brady: And if I remember, the, the Gladiator isn’t just a, a stretched JL. They actually brought in the Ram engineers and- Yeah … designed an entirely new chassis specifically for- towing capacity and payload. I know that, [00:10:00] um, some of my early conversations with Mark Allen is he recognized that this was an opportunity for Jeep to make one of the best, if not the best, mid-sized overland vehicles sold today, and he wanted to make sure that they ticked all the right boxes.

And that’s, I have to say that that is absolutely one of the things I appreciate most, most about Jeep. Uh, I was at SEMA over 10 years ago, and, and, uh, one of the guys who worked for me at the time says, “Hey, this guy just came running up to me down in the south hall,” and he says, “You, you work for Overland Journal?”

And he says, “Yeah,” and he handed me his card, and, and I look at the card and it was Mark Allen- … chief designer for, for Jeep, and Mark was a subscriber to the magazine. Mark is a traveler himself. I remember him telling me about his, his, uh, motorcycle trips down in Costa Rica and, and he, he’s tr- he’s truly a traveler himself, and we see that reflected in the vehicle, and that’s probably why it feels so honest and genuine.

Matt Scott: It’s just practical and good for travel. I mean, you know, you, you have a lot of right angles, um, with the camper. My, [00:11:00] my AT Summit on the back, um, you know, I have a lot of vertical walls. Uh, that same camper on a, a, a Tacoma, a Ranger or something like that, you know, you’d kinda have a 15-degree angle or something going down to the bed, which, yeah, granted means your bed’s a little bit wider, but I think that the space is so much more usable on a Gladiator.

Um, you know, we took the back seats out for our Greyhound, um, you know, and there’s, there’s a lot of room back there. Um, it’s, it’s just, it’s a well-thought-out vehicle. Yeah. It’s very purposeful. And, and I think it’s important, um, if you are somebody that, you know, is kind of moving around on vehicles to support companies that are supporting this industry.

Yeah. And Jeep has been there from the get-go. They are. And they, they listen, you know? Um, I can take this vehicle absolutely everywhere in comfort. Um, I know people always try and, “Oh, well, my vehicle’s better,” or, “This is better,” or, “This model’s better.” Like, I don’t really care. Like, I probably won’t have this truck in a year anyways, and I’ll probably be eating my own words, but, um, you know, the [00:12:00] breadth of capability that this machine has- True

I mean, you know, I hit, like, 90 mile an hour on a dirt road in Baja in a truck on 37s with a little V6 and it, it was-

Scott Brady: I really

Matt Scott: enjoyed- … it was smooth as could be.

Scott Brady: I really enjoyed driving the one that we had. It, we even did some towing with it, connecting some of the bigger trailers that we had. It was really impressive in that regard.

I think, I think if you had to own one vehicle that you expected to do everything-

Matt Scott: Yeah …

Scott Brady: technical terrain, daily driving capabilities, you wanted to tow your sailboat up to Lake Powell, whatever that was, and you could only own one car, the, the Gladiator might be it.

Matt Scott: Well, yeah. And, and it’s, what, what is the vehicle that everybody wants?

They’re like, “Oh, well, it doesn’t have a solid axle. I don’t want it.” Okay, well, this does. “I want it with a diesel engine.” Well, the diesel engine is- It’s coming, yeah … coming

Scott Brady: out.

Matt Scott: Like, “Oh, I want a manual transmission.” Well-

Scott Brady: You

Matt Scott: get it … manual transmission’s coming

Scott Brady: out. “

Matt Scott: Oh, well, I want lockers.” Like, whatever excuse people…

Like, there’s really no excuses To this vehicle and-

Scott Brady: Other than the, that it’s expensive. It, it is. And I think that’s my on- that’s [00:13:00] my only dig against the, the vehicle is it is expensive once you trim it up.

Matt Scott: Yeah. It, it, it is expensive, um, but you can also, you know, e- everything that I’m talking about, um, on mine, mine was over 60.

Scott Brady: Yeah.

Matt Scott: But you can get one, you know, in the mid-30s too.

Scott Brady: High

Matt Scott: 30s for the next gen. Yeah. That, and everything that I’m saying, um, you know, it, it, it equally applies. It does. You know, you’re not gonna have the saddle leather interior and the nav and the, and whatever, but who cares? You don’t

Scott Brady: need-

Matt Scott: All the important parts are there.

All the important parts are there. I mean, I, I challenge you to take a, you know, a, a, a, a base Gladiator and a Tacoma or a Ranger and put 35s on them and see, see how quickly the Tacoma falls apart. Even with the best of the aftermarket, it’s gonna squeak. It’s gonna drive like crap. Um-

Scott Brady: You’re still at the limits of the-

Matt Scott: You, you are

Scott Brady: the differential diameter and the CV axles.

Matt Scott: Yeah. You’re, you’re blowing CVs. You’re, you know, you’re spending to make that [00:14:00] package reliable, which can be done. I know there’s people that have, that have done it, but I don’t have that much dedication to a single platform. Um, and I, I just don’t. So it, it’s just, it’s a very easy vehicle.

Mine really isn’t that modified. Um, you know, I use factory bumpers. The Mopar bumpers are great. If I wanna take the wings off to make it a stubby bumper because, I don’t know, that looks cool on Instagram, I can do that. Doesn’t really do anything for me, but, um, factory winch mount, factory sliders that, like I’ve taken across the Rubicon, I’ve dragged them across rocks.

They’re for overlanding. They’re all you need. You don’t need to put these garage-built, you know, hitch steel, super heavy sliders on there. This is a hydroformed piece of steel that’s purpose-built for the vehicle

Scott Brady: And they work really well. I think it’s some of the best factory sliders I’ve ever seen.

Matt Scott: Yeah, yeah The

Scott Brady: ones for the Wrangler

Matt Scott: You know, there’s always somebody that’s like, you know, trying, will always try and break everything, and if you’re that guy, cool, go buy some sliders.

It’s a Jeep. There’s a million of them out [00:15:00] there. Um, you know, the rear- Yeah,

Scott Brady: I think if we’re thinking of it purely from travel perspective, I think that the way that they come in like your Jeep-

Matt Scott: Totally …

Scott Brady: is perfect.

Matt Scott: And it has like that rear slider, which is incredibly, incredibly effective, and it will s- I’ve, I’ve had, you know, the vehicle hung up on it before, and it’s

It works. Um

Scott Brady: Have you used a high-lift off of the rock sliders yet?

Matt Scott: No. I haven’t used a high-lift in like … If I, I, I should be careful there, but I don’t generally carry around boat anchors. Um-

Scott Brady: Yeah …

Matt Scott: I, I, I’m a, I’m more of a traveler than I am a technical crawler, so I just, I don’t even carry one with me anymore.

Scott Brady: Well, and the challenge with a high-lift off of a, off of a Wrangler is the, the suspension has so much travel-

Matt Scott: Yeah …

Scott Brady: that you often-

Matt Scott: And it’s so close to the vehicle …

Scott Brady: you often reach, reach the limit of the high-lift extension, uh, before the wheels even come off the ground.

Matt Scott: Yeah. I mean, I don’t know. It’s, it’s-

Scott Brady: Bottle jack, right?

Matt Scott: Bottle jack. Um, bottle jack, Maxtrax, [00:16:00] whatever I have to do. Um, you know, changing a wheel’s not necessarily a huge thing.

Scott Brady: Yeah, you just bring along a, you know, piece of- Yeah … thick wood that supports the vehicle in soft conditions.

Matt Scott: Yeah, yeah. I mean, not that a high-lift doesn’t have its place. I just-

Scott Brady: Well, it certainly does.

Um- Yeah, just for, it just depends on the conditions that you’re in.

Matt Scott: Yeah, yeah. Um-

Scott Brady: Well, one of the things I was thinking about is From my experience with the vehicle, I think it does benefit from a little bit of suspension lift, and that’s because of that break- Oh, yeah, yeah … that’s because of that breakover angle.

When I was testing the, the max tow package vehicle, I, even in Sedona, trails that I wouldn’t normally even notice, I had to take some different lines because of the, uh, the ability to hit the, the b- the belly pan. So I think adding a, an inch or two, maybe three inches of suspension lift, uh, and then a, uh, accompanying that with some 37-inch tall tires seems to really resolve that problem.

Uh, w- what are your thoughts on suspension right now? What would be, if you were right now to look [00:17:00] at a couple different options, two or three options for suspension on the Gladiator, what are you leaning towards right now?

Matt Scott: You know, the, the unfortunate reality for overlanders right now is that there really aren’t many options.

Um, you know, there were-

Scott Brady: There’s an AEV kit now, finally.

Matt Scott: Yeah, but I, I don’t think it’s actually out is the problem. Yeah.

Scott Brady: It’s

Matt Scott: not- That, that is what I, I will go towards AEV springs. Um, you know, they actually kinda consider payload and, and things like that. Um, but right now there’s a lot of junk out there.

There’s a lot of companies that were really quick to repurpose their JK stuff. There’s a lot of companies that were really quick to throw whatever’s, whatever out there. There’s a lot of cheap stuff on the market for the Gladiator right now, and that’s where I’m personally struggling. Um, you know, having more weight in the back of the vehicle, I need a coil that is, you know, has a proper spring rate for more weight.

Scott Brady: Yeah. Old Man Emu has not released new coils yet for the G- for the Gladiator. No.

Matt Scott: Icon is, has some stuff out. Um, unfortunately just [00:18:00] didn’t work out in timing, uh, for, for the Baja trip. Um-

Scott Brady: And Icon does a good job …

Matt Scott: Icon does a great job. Um, you know, they, they actually, they have a Gladiator. They actually use it.

Um, you know, their, their big prototype vehicle I guess is, is Clay’s, that Expedition Overland Odin. Right. Um, and that’s, that’s probably about as heavy as you could, could or should get a Gladiator with their PCOR Patriot Campers, um, set up on the back. Um, yeah, so, so unfortunately right now if you wanna, if you wanna buy a Gladiator and you wanna lift it, I’d, I just say go with the Mopar set up because you’re getting, you know, factory tuned spring rates, spring frequencies, things like that.

Um, but if you add any kinda weight in the, in the back the, the rear shocks just need to be thrown away. Um, you know, otherwise they would actually be a really great shock. They’re just, you know-

Scott Brady: They’re under tuned …

Matt Scott: so horribly valved that- Yeah … it’s hard to begin to start why they’re so bad. Um- Yeah, but there, there will be stuff coming out.

I mean, you know, King has shocks coming [00:19:00] out, Fox has shocks coming out, Icon has some, you know, adjustable CDCV shocks coming out. Um, yeah, so

Scott Brady: I- Then the AEV stuff will

Matt Scott: ultimately be- And the AEV stuff will, will ultimately come out, um- … be

Scott Brady: significant when it hits. ‘Cause they always address payload with their springs.

Matt Scott: Yeah, I, I have to think the, the next evolution of, of, of my truck will probably see maybe an AEV bumper. Um, one of the things I like about their bumpers is that they actually kind of meet the fenders. Um, you can actually reduce a lot of wind noise in the, in the Wrangler. Um, and, and again, uh, uh, increase that approach angle in front of the tire by that AEV bumper.

Um, and they’re not that much heavier as well. They’re very thoughtfully designed.

Scott Brady: And you end up with quite a bit of animal strike protection, which is always something that we … When we fit a bumper to our vehicles, we’re looking for a couple … We’re looking at a couple things in mind. We, we wanna be able to fit a winch for self-recovery, particularly when we travel solo, which is what you did in Baja.

You traveled [00:20:00] all, all by yourself. And, uh, and then also the ability to prevent animal strike damage- Yeah … or even small, small vehicle impacts when you’re- Mm-hmm … traveling. You know, you’re in a village and somebody backs up into you, you don’t want, uh, your airbags to go off and your vehicle to be disabled.

So I do like to run a front bumper that, that does well. It’s robust enough to manage, uh, those small vehicle impacts, animal strikes, and then of course self-recovery. I’m much less interested in, like, ultimate Technical terrain performance of the bumper- Yeah … like day after day of abuse. Um, there are certainly applications for that, but I don’t tend to seek that out because I’m often so remote that I, I just simply can’t take those kinds of risks every single day-

Matt Scott: Exactly

Scott Brady: with the vehicle. So I do like the idea of the ARB bull bar or the AEV bull bar because it does give a lot more protection.

Matt Scott: Mm-hmm.

Scott Brady: Um, and, and they both do a great job on theirs.

Matt Scott: Yeah. Yeah. I, again, I’m partial [00:21:00] to AEV stuff. I mean, I, I bought this truck because it is a factory Brute.

Scott Brady: Yeah.

Matt Scott: You know? Um-

Scott Brady: Yeah

Matt Scott: they’re, they’re just great.

Scott Brady: AEV deserves a lot of-

Matt Scott: Yeah …

Scott Brady: y- you know, acknowledgement and respect for the fact that they, they no doubt w- they were the proof of concept for Jeep.

Matt Scott: If I was in a position back then to buy a Brute, I would have.

Scott Brady: Yeah.

Matt Scott: You know, it just, this is just how it worked out, I

Scott Brady: guess.

Matt Scott: Yeah.

Scott Brady: Um… Yeah, they were very, very, very cool vehicles. Now, once you get that little bit of suspension on there, what are your thoughts around tires and wheels right now? Are y- did you change your offset at all?

Matt Scott: I did. I, I, I

Scott Brady: did- What did you go with on the 37s?

Matt Scott: You know, I can’t remember the exact offset, but I, I know I run Method 702s.

It’s a, it’s a fairly aggressive offset. Um, you know, I kinda like that. I have a, I have a, you know, fairly high center gravity with the, with the camper. I’ve done my best to keep things low, but a little bit of increased track width isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Scott Brady: Mm-hmm.

Matt Scott: Um, you know, I kept the, the vehicle in Rubicon [00:22:00] spec, um, comes with Falken tires, your choice of either MTs or ATs, which again is like Jeep listening.

Scott Brady: Right.

Matt Scott: I mean

Scott Brady: you know? Yeah. If you live in the desert, get ATs.

Matt Scott: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I, I’m a really big fan of the Falken A/T3W, um- You know, I, again, I’m, I’m not a rock crawler. I’m, I’m not the guy that looks, “Oh, can I, can I drive up that for the sake of driving up it?” There has to be something on the other end for me.

Um, so to be able to have a, you know, a, a snow peak rated tire, um, that’s just, that’s huge for me. Yeah. And there’s only two tires out there, I believe, that have that, and that’s the, you know, the BFG All-Terrain KO2 and the, and the Falcons. And in my experience, um, the, the Falcons just seem to last a little bit longer.

Um- Sure … and I like the fact that it’s kind of a still an OE tire.

Scott Brady: Yeah.

Matt Scott: Um-

Scott Brady: OE spec tire …

Matt Scott: and the methods look great. You know, my kinda thing these days is black vehicles with bronze wheels, and the methods look-

Scott Brady: Looks good …

Matt Scott: they look, they look [00:23:00] really good. Um, you know- How

Scott Brady: did the black hold up to all the desert pinstriping in Baja?

Matt Scott: It was, it was fine. Like, it’s- It was? … pretty good paint. You know, the nice thing with the Wrangler is, again, it’s purpose, it’s purpose-built, you know? So you have your fenders that are out, you know, probably at, at the max from the center of the body 12 inches.

Scott Brady: Yeah.

Matt Scott: So you can really kinda, if you’re a skilled driver, um, you can, you can kinda work your way around it.

Like, I don’t have really any pinstriping on the car.

Scott Brady: Oh, that’s great.

Matt Scott: Um, you know, if you think about it, the cab isn’t actually that long.

Scott Brady: Right.

Matt Scott: Um, and I’m used to driving press cars where scratching is not an option, so. Right. Um-

Scott Brady: That’s good.

Matt Scott: Yeah, the, the paint quality seems good. I mean, you know, it’s, it’s had a lot of gas station car washes.

And, um, when I say gas station car wash, I mean everything is so dirty I literally take the little squeegee and clean it. Um, yeah, the, I, I’m just impressed with the build quality on the vehicle. I know a lot of people- With Chrysler and with Jeep have quality control concerns, and it’s just never been an op- it’s never been an issue for me.

I mean, [00:24:00] how many

Scott Brady: miles- I think they’ve sorted a lot of that out in the last decade …

Matt Scott: how many miles have we put on- Wow … you know, Jeep press cars? Hundred-

Scott Brady: yeah, hundreds of thousands.

Matt Scott: And, and not a single failure ever. No. No. I mean, the only thing is that, like, the windshields constantly break. Like, mine’s broken right now and I just

Mine’s been broken for 10,000 miles and I just-

Scott Brady: Well- ‘Cause you know, yeah, you know … it’s

Matt Scott: just gonna happen again. Right. You know?

Scott Brady: Anytime you’ve taken a flat, upright piece of glass-

Matt Scott: Yeah …

Scott Brady: but somehow the G-Wagon windows don’t get broke. I don’t know what the difference is.

Matt Scott: Yeah.

Scott Brady: So maybe the G-Wagons are just always driving so much slower.

Matt Scott: Yeah, man. Yeah. Mine’s, mine’s broken. Yeah,

Scott Brady: I had to replace mine recently.

Matt Scott: Yeah. Um-

Scott Brady: But the Jeeps always, always need to replace the glass it seems like.

Matt Scott: Yeah. But I think the big thing is the camper on this. You know, it’s, it’s actually not that modified. You know, stock bumper, stock winch mount. I put a Warn, uh, Zeon, uh, winch on there with their Spydura synthetic rope.

It’s the platinum edition. Yeah, great winch.

Scott Brady: Great

Matt Scott: winch. Just fantastic. Um, you know, the thing that I actually like, I, I like [00:25:00] that, um, you know, the remote control kinda setup. It’s, it’s pretty beefy. Um, you know, it also means that no- there’s no traditional, um, you know, release- Clutch

Scott Brady: release … clutch

Matt Scott: release on it.

So nobody can really mess with it. Um-

Scott Brady: Yeah, that is, that’s definitely an advantage. I wish that they had some form of a, of an override.

Matt Scott: Of override, yeah …

Scott Brady: of a, of a way to plug in another remote, um, even as an option. I think that that would be nice because there’s times where you forget to charge the remote.

Yeah. Or you lose the charge cable or, you

Matt Scott: know- Definitely …

Scott Brady: the tide’s coming in. Uh, as far as performance though, that, that winch is unbelievable.

Matt Scott: Yeah. Yeah. And obviously, you know, I put MaxTrax on it. I’m full disclosure, I’m the MaxTrax guy. This truck, um, the reason I can have these things is ’cause I’m the, I’m the importer for MaxTrax in the US, so you can see it at all the shows that we’re at.

Um, I regeared it to 488, so I think one of the interesting things on the Gladiator from what, from talking to the engineers that actually designed it, um, you know, the, the payload of the vehicle is kind of, [00:26:00] you know, limited by two things. One was actually the airflow coming into the engine. That’s why the Gladiator, um, has the different mesh behind the, behind the grill is to promote more airflow from the higher wattage fan.

And the second is actually the gearing. So one of the reasons why the Sport model has such a higher payload is one, it has less, less features on it.

Scott Brady: Weighs less, for

Matt Scott: sure. Weighs less. Um, but also it has smaller tires with the 411s. So I actually went to 488s. Um, and I used Dana Spicer gears, so factory gears, um, that went into the Dana axles.

I used Dana Spicer diff covers. And, you know, it’s all just a, it’s a good factory-looking package. You know, everything’s kinda salt sprayed to factory specifications. It’s not gonna rust. Um, I, I actually, you know, I said I kinda joked around that I won’t have this vehicle. I, I really think this might be the one that I have for a while.

Um, again, especially with that camper on the back, that thing is so [00:27:00] well-insulated and so well-made.

Scott Brady: Yeah, let’s talk about that AT Overland camper. What, what made you decide on that, on that model? I know it was one of the first ones available.

Matt Scott: It was one of the first ones. Um, you know, our warehouse is right next to AT.

Um, I’ve, I’ve had other wedge campers. I think the Go Fast is a great option, too. You know, we really, we really wanted to build more of a little sailboat inside. And what the, what the AT Summit offered me was the ability to have things like a, a dual pane acrylic window. Um, it allowed me to have

Scott Brady: every- Oh yeah, that’s right.

They run the Turn

Matt Scott: Overland windows. Yeah, the Turn Overland windows. Um, it’s, it’s a foam core, um, you know, sandwiched aluminum construction, so it actually has 30 millimeters of insulation in the, built into the walls, and then it’s carpeted inside for, for condensation. It’s really easy to put up and down, and you can put solar panels on the roof.

It has channels for that, for all your wiring. Um, you know, the roof is actually insulated as well. [00:28:00] Um, and then the tent fabric actually has four layers on it. Now, there’s a, there’s a insulation kit, um, that is, that is optional, but literally just pulls out like a jacket liner with Velcro, and that has a, an, an outer layer, um, you know, to kinda prevent that condensation coming from the tent itself.

Has Thinsulate and then another white interior layer, and it’s really quiet inside. I have to say, we sleep really well.

Scott Brady: So you don’t get a lot of flapping and zipper noises and-

Matt Scott: No flapping. Well, there’s no zippers.

Scott Brady: Oh, that’s huge.

Matt Scott: Everything’s all Velcro. You know, it was designed… Mario knows what he’s doing.

Yeah,

Scott Brady: he knows what he’s doing.

Matt Scott: He’s, you know, he, he, he spends a lot of time in these things. And, uh- Yeah, we put a, we put a diesel heater in it. You know, we have the MSA drawers in it. Um, you know, we have a drop slide with a National Luna, um, Weekender 50 fridge. We, we really like that fridge because it, we have the ability to make ice, um, and-

Scott Brady: Margaritas.

Matt Scott: Yeah. Margaritas without ice are really, really [00:29:00] uncivilized, and that’s not overlanding, that’s called car camping. Um, you know, so the, the diesel heater’s great. We finally kinda got that thing figured out and, um, you know, we, we even used that thing down in Baja. It’s, it’s… It, it, it has the ability to smoke you out or the ability to kinda keep you warm.

And, and in terms of use of space, that bed also, uh, articulates up. So when you’re in the camper, um, you, you… not only do you have about three feet at the end of the bed, um, since the, the bed does go over the cab of the truck- Yeah … quite a bit. Um, you know, you can then push that bed up, is on struts. Again, the bed is also 30 millimeter foam core insulated material, so you’re not sleeping on a cold surface.

But then you get the full use of the space inside. You don’t have to, um, you know, make your bed every day. You leave your bedding in there. There’s enough space.

Scott Brady: So if you gotta hunker down in bad weather, you can do

Matt Scott: it. Yeah, you can hang out in there. And, you know, we’ve put some alu- kept the interior very simple.

You, you have to [00:30:00] respect the payload of capacity of a vehicle, and I think a lot of overlanders just, they throw more and more and more and more and more.

Scott Brady: They never take it away, yeah.

Matt Scott: And more And more.

Scott Brady: Yeah.

Matt Scott: Um, this is really modular for us. So, you know, we have a LifeSaver Jerry Can for water. It’s very light.

Also, we do a lot of travel overseas and maybe we’ll take this vehicle on the Silk Road. Um, so the ability to have water filtration, pressurized water, and water storage in one unit was huge. And those Alu boxes are great because they’re just so light. We can leave them outside. Right. They’re waterproof, so then we get that interior space.

If we have to hunker down and it’s bad weather, we can put all that stuff outside and, and, and get that space, um-

Scott Brady: And you don’t have much on top. I think you’ve got some Maxtrax

Matt Scott: and- Maxtrax are on the side. Um- On the side … and we just have an Overland Solar 160 watt panel.

Scott Brady: Okay. Um- And does that seem to run everything that you need it to?

Matt Scott: You know, we have 170 amp hour lithium battery. Oh,

Scott Brady: that’s huge.

Matt Scott: It’s, it’s massive. It’s like what you would put in an RV, essentially. [00:31:00] You know, for those that don’t know, um, lithium has 100% state of charge. So there’s actually 170 usable amp hours roughly in that battery, and I’m sure the few bottom ones are a bit not there.

But, um, as compared to an AGM battery, this is like four, almost three or four lead-acid batteries. Um, you

Scott Brady: know- Yeah, impressive technology …

Matt Scott: in, in like 50 pounds or something. Yeah. So, so yeah, the, the solar panel’s there, but I have to worry about that like a week into camping. So, um-

Scott Brady: Well, there’s a couple other campers on the market now.

There’s the, the new one from 5010. Yeah, that one looks nice. The one thing, one thing I liked about that was it was really big on the inside-

Matt Scott: Huge … ‘

Scott Brady: cause of the way it overhangs- Yes … the back of the vehicle.

Matt Scott: Great use of space.

Scott Brady: Yeah, you have to, you have to use the, the flatbed system that they provide as well, and it, it does end up getting very expensive, like near the, nearly the price of the vehicle by the time you get it all done.

Matt Scott: More than the Sport that you’re talking

Scott Brady: about. Right, if you want the fully built out interior. But they do, they do a great job with that. I think [00:32:00] Goose Gear is the one that- Goose

Matt Scott: Gear

Scott Brady: is the US distributor for that. Um- For bringing those in. I r- I really did like the big open space on the inside of that Uh, and then there’s a couple others on the market.

There’s the, there’s the PCOR from, from Australia Which is more of a

Matt Scott: canopy

Scott Brady: style. It is. Um- It’s definitely not a camper. Um, it looks great. I mean, it looks really, really good.

Matt Scott: Yeah. If I wanted a utilitarian setup, um, you know, with that flatbed you’d really gain a lot of usability from the truck, and the ability to take that, that canopy on and off so easily.

They’ve really designed that well. And I wanna say it integrates water. Yeah, and they’re like… They’re under 10 grand for the, for the tray, and it, it’s quite attractive on- Oh,

Scott Brady: yeah, I think it looks really good on the truck. It, it looks very purposeful. You just can’t sleep in it. You still have to sleep in a roof

Matt Scott: tent or something.

Still have to have a tent or something like that. Yeah. Um, yeah, Go Fast does make something, um, for it too. They’re, they’re a great option. The thing I like with them is they’re really light. Um, they’re great for somebody that wants something maybe a step above a [00:33:00] roof tent. Um, if you have no ambitions of, you know, making your little sailboat inside, um, I think that that’s also a really great option.

And I’m sure most of the wedge camper people have one. I haven’t seen anything from Four Wheel Camper.

Scott Brady: Yeah, that’s what I was thinking about. It’ll be, it’ll be cool when we start to see-

Matt Scott: Yeah …

Scott Brady: Four Wheel Camper releasing models that fit in the Gladiator. ‘Cause with a 1,700 pound payload, it’s… I mean, they sell those things all day long for

Matt Scott: Tacomas.

Yeah. And this is such a better platform. I think so. You can just tell that it handles the weight better.

Scott Brady: For sure.

Matt Scott: Um, you know, my, my partner’s dad has a, a new, uh, Ram 1500, and we were kinda sitting underneath and comparing his to mine, and there’s, there are truthfully a lot of shared components in the same rear brakes.

Scott Brady: Brake sets. Yeah.

Matt Scott: Yeah. And then that’s great. Um, you know, it’s, it’s… I wanna say it’s the only vehicle that has rear discs. Does the Ranger have rear discs?

Scott Brady: I think so.

Matt Scott: Yeah.

Scott Brady: Yeah. And then so does the Colorado too.

Matt Scott: Colorado does now too. Cool.

Scott Brady: The Tacoma’s the only one that doesn’t. Oh. It still has drums in the back.

Matt Scott: Yeah.

Scott Brady: [00:34:00] I think they had some reason for it that made no sense, but- Yeah …

Matt Scott: yeah. Uh, I don’t know.

Scott Brady: Yeah.

Matt Scott: But, um-

Scott Brady: So what’s next for the Gladiator? I mean, you’ve, you’ve driven it down Baja. I mean, where, where do you wanna take it next? What do you next plan to modify on the vehicle?

Matt Scott: You know, we’re, we’re definitely looking at, um, you know, Yukon, Northwest Territories, Alaska this summer, um, if, if work allows it.

Um, you know, we’re lucky that we’re able to travel as much as we are, but we have to kinda respect that too. We do have a business to run. Um, so ho- hopefully that’s the next big trip. I mean, you know, we’re always doing weekend stuff. Um, you know, we’re gonna intend to hit some more stuff in, in Arizona, and probably go back down to Baja in March.

Um, weather’s just so perfect there. Um, you know, e- e- eventually, even though I built this… I, I built my dream Land Cruiser. Diesel, has all the secondary fuel tanks, everything you could imagine, like completely mechanically injected and, and everything. Um, it’s also one of our show [00:35:00] trucks and Um, I don’t know.

I, I don’t know if that’s the vehicle I would drive around the world anymore. You know, we’re, we’re starting to, to kind of plan the Silk Road idea maybe for 2021, and I think it would be hard to not- Be a perfect vehicle for it … take the Gladiator. It’s the, the fatigue on the driver is so much less, ’cause there are those days when you, when you, when you don’t have unlimited time, you do have to put in those 10, 12, 14-hour driving days, and the ability to turn on that radar cruise control and just kinda go and, um I don’t know, it’s nice.

Uh,

Scott Brady: it- When you get to Mongolia, you’ll … it’ll only shut off with the, the camels.

Matt Scott: Yeah, and it’s … a- and it’s, it’s quiet inside too. I mean, I know that’s kind of where the Gladiator has received some negative marks, um, is interior cabin noise. But I think it really depends on how you have it set up. I actually

I put a, uh … downloaded an app, a decibel meter, and it was right about 68, um, [00:36:00] decibels, if I remember correctly, and that’s kind of what they considered a conversation level. Um, definitely if you’re doing 90 mile an hour with a headwind, which the truck will do, like we did across Texas from, you know, coming back from Overland Expo, yeah, it’s a little bit louder, but, um-

Scott Brady: That’s when I notice it, is once, once the speed gets up over legal limits, that’s when it really gets a lot louder.

Yeah. There’s only so much you can do with the- But

Matt Scott: you’re only doing that in America.

Scott Brady: That’s right.

Matt Scott: Um-

Scott Brady: You’d never get going that fast.

Matt Scott: No. So-

Scott Brady: Unless you’re on the Autobahn, maybe.

Matt Scott: Yeah, so that, that’s, that’s

Scott Brady: kind of- You have to take it around the Nürburgring. Yeah. It’ll be your first time around the Nürburgring will be- Yeah

will be in a Gladiator. I love it.

Matt Scott: Uh, yeah, so big plans for the, for the vehicle in terms of, um-

Scott Brady: Where you wanna take

Matt Scott: it … where we wanna take it. Yeah, sure. I, I don’t really know. Like, yeah, I, I need to find a better solution for, for rear shocks. But other than that, I think what’s great about the Gladiator is Jeep has done so much.

They have. Like, I don’t have to do an S-Pod because I already have the factory thing that’s controlled through the, the screen. I, I … There’s just so much I don’t have to do. It integrates well. It has great lights. Um, it [00:37:00] rides well. It … You know, the, the control arm angles are nearly flat, lifted.

Scott Brady: Yeah.

Matt Scott: Um-

Scott Brady: And that keeps that roll center really low.

Matt Scott: Yeah. It’s … We built this vehicle to travel, and that’s, that’s our modification, is- Yeah … is travel.

Scott Brady: Yeah, hopefully all the money, uh, that you think you need to spend on modifications, ’cause it doesn’t need it, you can just spend on fuel now. Exactly. I, I love that.

Matt Scott: Exactly.

Scott Brady: Well, anything else going on? Like any new gadgets you’ve been picking up recently?

Matt Scott: Ooh. Ooh, I do have one. I do have one. I used it extensively in Baja, and I now use it to light my, my nightly campfire inside my house. That was the wrong way to say that. Um, they’re not called campfires. Fireplace. Fireplace. I don’t light fires inside of my house. Um, yeah, it’s this little Kovea butane torch.

It’s called the Fire Z. Um, I don’t know, I, I think I bought it on Amazon. It was like 20 bucks or something. And what I like is it uses little butane canisters which are available-

Scott Brady: Everywhere in the world …

Matt Scott: everywhere in the world. We actually [00:38:00] moved all of our stuff over to Kovea with the little butane canisters, um, ’cause it’s a very energy-dense source.

But with this, i- even on full blast, it doesn’t seem to use much, and it is the- the best fire starter I’ve used. I’ve had the Snow Peak one, I still have the Snow Peak one, and actually used them side by side. Theirs is called the Giga Torch, but the problem with theirs, while it is more aesthetically pleasing and more unique, more of an experience to start that fire, which is a- what Snow Peak is about, there’s no- you ha- still have to have a separate lighter.

Scott Brady: Yeah. It’s like kicking off a, an F-4 Phantom when that thing-

Matt Scott: And it’s kinda scary- … ’cause it’s like, you know, it starts and then it goes, “Woo.”

Scott Brady: Oh, yeah.

Matt Scott: Um- It’s awesome … where this thing has a little trigger. It’s very, very ergonomic. I use it every night. Um, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t know why more people don’t carry something like that with them because-

Scott Brady: Yeah, it’s all about fire when you’re out camping

Matt Scott: yeah, I mean, I, I get some people if, if they’re only doing this on a weekend, they wanna be the Boy Scout and they wanna start the perfect fire. Well- talked me out for a few hundred nights, and you just- Yeah. … want to get started.

Scott Brady: You do. [00:39:00]

Matt Scott: So- That’s

Scott Brady: right.

Matt Scott: Absolutely … um, I don’t know. What, what about you? What’s, what’s your-

Scott Brady: Well, I, I bought this, this GX 470 a couple years ago.

Yeah. And I’ve just been daily driving it or taking it on- Those are such great cars … parts and things. They are, and I’ve just- Form

Matt Scott: factor’s perfect …

Scott Brady: and I just haven’t done anything to it yet. I mean, literally, it’s still stock after a couple years, which I think that’s the longest I’ve gone with any vehicle ever.

But I just now got everything on order. So-

Matt Scott: Cool …

Scott Brady: almost everything is here at the office, and we’re gonna start building that truck up. Got a bunch of ARB goodies and-

Matt Scott: Cool …

Scott Brady: some AEV wheels, and- Ooh … yeah, yeah. I think it’ll look, I think it’ll look pretty good.

Matt Scott: Yeah, ’cause AEV does wheels for- For Toyota … six lug Toyota now.

Scott Brady: They do.

Matt Scott: Yeah. Are you doing anything interior?

Scott Brady: Not… It’s gonna be a typical Scotty build. Okay. So it’ll be super Sano, very understated. Yeah. Not a bunch of, of complex systems. But one thing I would like to do is look at, like, a Scheel-Man seat or a Recaro or something like that, because the factory, it’s the one real negative in most Toyotas is the factory seats.

Matt Scott: [00:40:00] Yeah.

Scott Brady: Uh, the factory leather is just garbage. So it definitely needs a seat upgrade. So that might be the one thing that I do on the interior. Um, I was thinking about maybe taking out part of the rear seat and running the fridge back there to get the weight a little further forward, but-

Matt Scott: Pretty cool. Do like a Goose Gear seat delete?

Yeah, something like that. We did, we did a Goose Gear seat delete in the Gladiator.

Scott Brady: You like that?

Matt Scott: Um, yeah. That’s, that’s Dax actual seat now. Nice. We did the, the whatever they call it, the, the three-quarter deletes. We still have the one seat and, oh, man, fantastic.

Scott Brady: And do you, do you put him in a harness when he’s in the car?

Do you, do you-

Matt Scott: He’s, he’s- … have you considered it? … almost 80 pounds, and he’s big, and he moves around a lot. He’s a mover. Yeah. Greyhounds are, are, are very particular, um, little, little wonderful guys and girls, but I wish I could. It just- Yeah … he would… It, it would be the Greyhound scream of death- Yeah … you know, the moment he, like, got himself tangled and, you know-

Scott Brady: Well, he was locked down

Matt Scott: you know, we just drive like we have a, an infant in the car- Oh, yeah … going home from the ER. He’s

Scott Brady: your

Matt Scott: baby. Yeah,

Scott Brady: yeah. Yeah, he’s your baby. Well, and speaking of that, tell us a little bit more about what people can do, [00:41:00] uh, either to help support Greyhound rescues or to, to get their own Greyhound.

Matt Scott: Yeah. I mean, you know, I’ve talked about this before, but huge Greyhound guy.

Uh, absolutely changed my life. Um, you know, look at your local Greyhound adoption club. Um, they’re all vol- usually volunteer-run. You know, these dogs don’t have the best life usually. You know, they’re, they come from the track. They’re not… I don’t wanna say that they’re abused, but they’re treated like a commodity.

Scott Brady: Yeah, they don’t feel like part of the family.

Matt Scott: Yeah. And oh, man, they’re just, they’re, they’re so sweet. Um- He

Scott Brady: is such a sweet dog.

Matt Scott: Amazing … and this guy, we, we had him for a month, and- Took him down Baja, and now this is his second trip and second, you know, going on the second year we’ve had him. Doesn’t bark.

Th- they’re just, they’re, they’re great. There’s a great community on Instagram surrounding these dogs if you wanna look at, you know, I always say, uh, yeah, hashtag, you know, #greyhound, #adoptagreyhound. Take a look at them. They’re, they’re wonderful little creatures.

Scott Brady: Yeah, no doubt. Well, thanks for sharing that, Matt, and thanks for telling us all about your Gladiator.

Uh- Gladiator … I think it’s gonna [00:42:00] be really exciting to see this vehicle come to market i- in more numbers, and see how people start to personalize them, see the integrated camper- They’re so cool … split systems that are gonna come out. I think it’s gonna be very cool to see how this car develops over the years.

Matt Scott: Yeah, the fact that in 2020 we have a, well, soon to be available turbo diesel, but a turbo diesel manual solid axle pickup truck that you can take the doors and roof off.

Scott Brady: Yeah it’s amazing.

Matt Scott: Like, how, how is

Scott Brady: that

Matt Scott: not cool? How cool is that? Like, like, why would you want to drive the, I don’t know-

Scott Brady: Whatever

Matt Scott: anything else? Yeah. Like, I don’t know.

Scott Brady: Yeah, it’s pretty cool.

Matt Scott: Life is fun. Have fun.

Scott Brady: Yeah, no doubt. Well, thank you all for listening, and remember it’s all about the experience. Uh, spend less on your vehicle than you do on your trips, and we will talk to you next time.

Matt Scott: Take care, guys.