New trucks and 4low...

tim87tr

Trails
When I bought my wrangler it was HARD to find one with no options, as it is I'm still super happy with the no-frills it has. Soft top, six speed manual, crank windows and manual locks, simple radio and AC. I wish it didn't come with carpet or had vinyl/rubber carpet tho. As it is I bedlined the tub in it and thats been about perfect.
Agree. Ordered my first new vehicle in Fall 13, a 14 half door Rubicon. No packages so half door and 6 speed is standard, with block heater, tinted rear windows and hitch. Most fun vehicle we've ever owned on and off-road.
 

billiebob

Well-known member
is also far better off road than a manual.
Not if you love to drive.
I find a manual natural. An automatic? I'm always trying to figure out how to get it to do what it should do. Switches, Tow/Haul modes, lockouts.... cruise control.... those are for people who don't enjoy the simple pleasure of driving.

A clutch lets you do all of that without thought.

or maybe forget the clutch..
 
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billiebob

Well-known member
But talking expeditions, overlanding ???

I've owned 40 vehicles, 6 had automatics, 3 of those died and left me stranded. I have never been stranded with a standard. Why take the risk if you are leaving civilization behind.

The reason there are no standards made today is due to computers controlling the rpm, shifting to deliver better economy and lower emissions. I can't argue with that logic, but I'll never buy a new automatic. I will buy an electric off roader if/when they come out.... but I'm now committed to used trucks. I really miss carburetors too.
 

F350joe

Well-known member
Interesting thread, not what I expected when I clicked on it.

I want to point out that here in America you are never more than 50 miles or so from the grid. There are no gas stations where we go but if there is, there is also electricity. I have been all over the California deserts, Utah, Baja, etc for a few decades now and can’t think of a single time I have had to use a jerry can. I bring one, sometimes, but plan my trips accordingly. Also, when you are going slow in an iC in 4wd your mileage is pretty bad. With electric motors going slow means more range. A smart ev 4x4 with gps could ensure you don’t paint yourself into a corner so to speak.
 

shade

Well-known member
Interesting thread, not what I expected when I clicked on it.

I want to point out that here in America you are never more than 50 miles or so from the grid. There are no gas stations where we go but if there is, there is also electricity. I have been all over the California deserts, Utah, Baja, etc for a few decades now and can’t think of a single time I have had to use a jerry can. I bring one, sometimes, but plan my trips accordingly. Also, when you are going slow in an iC in 4wd your mileage is pretty bad. With electric motors going slow means more range. A smart ev 4x4 with gps could ensure you don’t paint yourself into a corner so to speak.
Good points. Who needs 4Low when you don't even need a transmission, and there's maximum torque at 0 rpms?

There are some routes in the Southwest that can require more range than a truck can provide without supplemental fuel, but you have to seek them out, and they're the exception. Widening the scope to Canada & Alaska, there are great swaths of awesomeness - but little infrastructure. AFAIK, Tesla is ahead of everyone with their Supercharger network, but it's just for their vehicles, and it's far from everywhere. I wonder if Elon dreams of running the next Standard Oil.

One place I can see offroad EVs taking hold would be smaller vehicles that are used infrequently enough that they could recharge via wind & solar at a remote location. No need to fly in fuel, and a basic EV could be more reliable than a ICE powered version. Something like that might work well in many places around the world.
 

Shovel

Dreaming Ape
Do you know about any good EV's though? I mean like the Benz EQC or Volvo XC40 .... SUVs made by real companies not some libelous charlatan who had to sue for fake rights to call himself "founder" of a company who hired him after they already existed.

I simply can't take off-pavement travel EV's seriously or conversations about them seriously - some basic truths about life on Earth are it's round, water's wet and if you're talking fully electric off-the-interstate travel vehicles math isn't your strong suit.

It's not about their ability to overcome the terrain it's about the laboriously described limitations on efficiency and storage. They're not getting vastly better because there isn't a vastly better for them to get.

In response to the idea that we're rarely more than 50 miles from The Grid, again it's hard to take this conversation seriously. :ROFLMAO::LOL: Is the implication here that every loose end of The Grid has a 30A/220V cord hanging off it so all you have to do when you're low on charge is head for the nearest homestead and tap in like filling your canteen from their garden hose? Every little hamlet in rural America has an extra 500kW of delivery capacity for a pair of chargers? You're going to call AAA to bring you a generator to 39°48'49.1"N 108°53'09.4"W (only 8 miles from a natural gas facility who I'm sure has a Supercharger, after all they're on The Grid! ) because you thought you had 80 miles of range left but then you realized off-pavement driving doesn't return such good range and those low rolling resistance tires don't have much traction and being stuck for 9 hours will drain your battery?

Nope. Can't take it seriously. They'd be great for those local tour outfits though like Pink Jeep, ideal for that.
 
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F350joe

Well-known member
Good points. Who needs 4Low when you don't even need a transmission, and there's maximum torque at 0 rpms?

There are some routes in the Southwest that can require more range than a truck can provide without supplemental fuel, but you have to seek them out, and they're the exception. Widening the scope to Canada & Alaska, there are great swaths of awesomeness - but little infrastructure. AFAIK, Tesla is ahead of everyone with their Supercharger network, but it's just for their vehicles, and it's far from everywhere. I wonder if Elon dreams of running the next Standard Oil.

One place I can see offroad EVs taking hold would be smaller vehicles that are used infrequently enough that they could recharge via wind & solar at a remote location. No need to fly in fuel, and a basic EV could be more reliable than a ICE powered version. Something like that might work well in many places around the world.
If batteries could be easily swapped out one could have an Uber like delivery system or even drop points for back packers. Or just rent an extra battery pack and throw it in the bed, Rivian mentioned something along those lines. Sounds like the hybrid f150 will be more of a generator with a large battery pack. That would be a cool system, imo, get the torque and reliability of electric motors and a onboard generator to make juice.
 

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shade

Well-known member
Do you know about any good EV's though? I mean like the Benz EQC or Volvo XC40 .... SUVs made by real companies not some libelous charlatan who had to sue for fake rights to call himself "founder" of a company who hired him after they already existed.
I don't know about "good", but you just named two. Others are being developed by what I assume are less-charlatanistic companies.

Then there's stuff like this.

 

Shovel

Dreaming Ape
Let's all acknowledge the reality here is if/when people start trying to force "overland" electrics to be a thing the only way they're going to function is if the thousands of small towns like Arapahoe and Zortman and Lund all put in those diesel powered shipping container EV charging stations. Then what problem did we solve exactly? Burning liquid fuel in your own car wasn't Rube Goldberg enough?

On that note I need to see if I can invest in a company who makes those things :ROFLMAO::LOL:
 

Buliwyf

Viking with a Hammer
Trailer tire speed ratings are encoded. Unless you have the proper code reader......
That one would be ''ST''. Let me decode:

''ST, 65mph, space shuttle weight rating, nobody cares until trailer tires explode, and then they still won't replace it with a quality tire, made in china, your kids safety isn't worth a $200 premium, RV shmucko approved, do not use if road temperatures exceed 65F, Good Sam Club seal of quality''
 

shade

Well-known member
Trailer tire speed ratings are encoded. Unless you have the proper code reader......
That one would be ''ST''. Let me decode:

''ST, 65mph, space shuttle weight rating, nobody cares until trailer tires explode, and then they still won't replace it with a quality tire, made in china, your kids safety isn't worth a $200 premium, RV shmucko approved, do not use if road temperatures exceed 65F, Good Sam Club seal of quality''
I see you've been towing at 80 mph.
 
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