Clutch’s deep thoughts thread...

bkg

Explorer
I've had four of them since 2011, fantastic trucks and the best diesel on the market IMHO.
I test drove a RAM. I somewhat wanted a megacab 3500 SRW. Dealer could have gotten me into a 2017 RAM for almost the same prices as the 2015 F250 they had on the lot. But I couldn't get over the way the AT shifter worked. Petty I know, but it felt weird. I think the RAM has a better center console (the best cellphone holder ever!). I think their UConnect is better than Sync as well, but I've overall been very happy. Took me a long time to find this one - white, platinum w/o sunroof and with 5-wheel prep package (just in case).
 
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Tex68w

Beach Bum
I test drove a RAM. I somewhat wanted a megacab 3500 SRW. Dealer could have gotten me into a 2017 RAM for almost the same prices as the 2015 F250 they had on the lot. But I couldn't get over the way the AT shifter worked. Petty I know, but it felt weird. I thing the RAM has a better center console (the best cellphone holder ever!). I think their UConnect is better than Sync as well, but I've overall been very happy. Took me a long time to find this one - white, platinum w/o sunroof and with 5-wheel prep package (just in case).
After now having owned both I can say that I appreciate aspect of both trucks. The Ram certainly has a better console and Apple Car Play is the best infotainment OS on the market, period. The ride is twice as good in the Ram as well. That said, the Ford cab is quieter, the seats are better, the truck doesn't get tossed around by the wind as much and it holds steadier at highway speeds, the Ram is a little loose and sort of darty at 65+. I think Ford will always have the best side mirror and when towing that is a huge deal. I would be happy with either make in the future but I am holding out hope that the High Boy is going to be a real option in the next few years. Depending on which power plant they offer it will likely become my new daily.
 

bkg

Explorer
After now having owned both I can say that I appreciate aspect of both trucks. The Ram certainly has a better console and Apple Car Play is the best infotainment OS on the market, period. The ride is twice as good in the Ram as well. That said, the Ford cab is quieter, the seats are better, the truck doesn't get tossed around by the wind as much and it holds steadier at highway speeds, the Ram is a little loose and sort of darty at 65+. I think Ford will always have the best side mirror and when towing that is a huge deal. I would be happy with either make in the future but I am holding out hope that the High Boy is going to be a real option in the next few years. Depending on which power plant they offer it will likely become my new daily.
I think the RAM drove more like a truck... Was plenty stiff. Granted I only put 5 miles on it. But that was also the 3500 w/ rear leafs… Ford is definitely quieter, for sure.
 

Adventurous

Explorer
I think the RAM drove more like a truck... Was plenty stiff. Granted I only put 5 miles on it. But that was also the 3500 w/ rear leafs… Ford is definitely quieter, for sure.
Mirrors my experience. The Ford was the quieter, more refined interior of the two, and it probably had a smoother ride as well. The RAM was more of a no frills get sh*t done kinda truck, and I liked that, hence how I ended up in a 3500 instead of an F350.
 

bkg

Explorer
while we're talking about topics completely unrelated to anything Toyota...

'm seriously thinking about selling the 04 xtracab, the 04 doublecab and the 02 4Runner... and buying a JK.
Mirrors my experience. The Ford was the quieter, more refined interior of the two, and it probably had a smoother ride as well. The RAM was more of a no frills get sh*t done kinda truck, and I liked that, hence how I ended up in a 3500 instead of an F350.
I do like my heated/cooled seats and heated steering wheel. 😃
 

Tex68w

Beach Bum
while we're talking about topics completely unrelated to anything Toyota...

'm seriously thinking about selling the 04 xtracab, the 04 doublecab and the 02 4Runner... and buying a JK.


I do like my heated/cooled seats and heated steering wheel. 😃
Not sure if serious, but with that said, I have owned quite a few Jeeps in the past, and while almost every single one has either left me completely stranded or down right frustrated at one point, I still can't help but love the damn things. A buddy of mine just picked a clean low mile, last year JKU Rubicon and he plans to do a full build with it and I am super excited for him. They might be cheap feeling, noisy, and at times completely unreliable, but they are all insanely capable, fun to tinker with and the ultimate lego set. I still get excited when I see a JKU on 40's with flat fenders. I think of the 4Runner as the perfect mid-size touring 4WD and the Wrangler as the perfect mid-size rock crawler. SO if you are serious I think we expect a detailed build thread and don't disappoint with a some small metric AT's, make that puppy have some personality.
 

battleaxe

Captain Obvious
while we're talking about topics completely unrelated to anything Toyota...

'm seriously thinking about selling the 04 xtracab, the 04 doublecab and the 02 4Runner... and buying a JK.
Not sure if serious either... I'd build one if I had the time and money... And money. But it'd be on tons, 40's, atlas, v8, etc. Id' basically replace everything that had anything to do with Chrysler.
 
I def. suffered from vehicle A.D.D. for a long time too. I think I've owned around 50ish vehicles so far? I've settled down in the past few years though.
It was mostly when I was young. I always had a classic summer cruiser and a DD. Both which seemed to change within a year, lol
 

Clutch

<---Pass
Haha that’s the understatement of the century lol. My women and dogs are the only thing I tend to keep around for the long haul. In regards to the women I see that as a good thing because running through them like I do everything else would likely be the most costly of all haha.
Have buddy like that, about every 2 years he gets a new truck. Raves how Rams alway treated him good, hell at that turn over rate the better well should!

Me on the the other hand I am obsessed to see how long I can keep something going.
 

Tex68w

Beach Bum
I def. suffered from vehicle A.D.D. for a long time too. I think I've owned around 50ish vehicles so far? I've settled down in the past few years though.
It was mostly when I was young. I always had a classic summer cruiser and a DD. Both which seemed to change within a year, lol
Yea, it was bad back in my 20's, I'd have a built off-roader, a daily, usually a classic of some sort and/or a track car, and then a few motorcycles and a boat. I was single and making plenty of money so I didn't see an issue with it lol. I am still struggling with it but I got rid of the boats, I am down to enduro bikes which are the cheapest, and I no longer have classics or track cars or even a separate daily and off-roader, those last two have become one in the same.

Have buddy like that, about every 2 years he gets a new truck. Raves how Rams alway treated him good, hell at that turn over rate the better well should!

Me on the the other hand I am obsessed to see how long I can keep something going.
You'd be surprised how many issues can occur within the first two years. Some of the domestics have proven to be unreliable in that short amount of time in my personal experience.
 
Yea, it was bad back in my 20's, I'd have a built off-roader, a daily, usually a classic of some sort and/or a track car, and then a few motorcycles and a boat. I was single and making plenty of money so I didn't see an issue with it lol. I am still struggling with it but I got rid of the boats, I am down to enduro bikes which are the cheapest, and I no longer have classics or track cars or even a separate daily and off-roader, those last two have become one in the same.
For me the classic car was 'replaced' with a trailer for camping. I still want a boat to go fishing with. Thinking a small aluminum boat that I can toss on a boat rack so I can still tow the trailer.... Sort of in between these set ups..

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Tex68w

Beach Bum
For me the classic car was 'replaced' with a trailer for camping. I still want a boat to go fishing with. Thinking a small aluminum boat that I can toss on a boat rack so I can still tow the trailer.... Sort of in between these set ups..

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The aluminum boat isn't a bad idea if you can also carry a small tiller outboard to attach when you get it down. These guys do that very thing down in Australia, they keep it mounted to the top of their trailer but I see them dragging it along in nearly every video.

 
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