2022 Nissan Frontier unveiled

Crazy Schooner

Fortune's A Mistress
So looks matter more than content and ability? If the one that has everything you want and need looks ugly you would settle for one that looks better but has less capability? I don't buy a truck for looks, I buy what is the best tool for the jobs I need not which one is the prettiest...

Tyler
Haha, good for you fella.
 
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spectre6000

Observer
I see a "vanity" tall hood like every other truck...

Am I the only one who hates that? You can't see what's in front of you.
You are not alone. As trucks get artificially taller, they get genuinely more difficult to work on. I shouldn't need a step stool to check the oil on my mid-size truck (only a slight exaggeration). I feel pretty good about my ability to gauge the corners of my vehicles, but it's definitely unnerving pulling into my parents' driveway nose first. We live in the mountains, and their driveway is cut into a very steep slope across multiple axes at a ridge. Pulling in nose first feels like driving off a cliff, then there's another actual cliff to make it even more exciting. I always back in, and use the backup camera to at least avoid the perceived fall.
 

Ducstrom

Well-known member
You are not alone. As trucks get artificially taller, they get genuinely more difficult to work on. I shouldn't need a step stool to check the oil on my mid-size truck (only a slight exaggeration). I feel pretty good about my ability to gauge the corners of my vehicles, but it's definitely unnerving pulling into my parents' driveway nose first. We live in the mountains, and their driveway is cut into a very steep slope across multiple axes at a ridge. Pulling in nose first feels like driving off a cliff, then there's another actual cliff to make it even more exciting. I always back in, and use the backup camera to at least avoid the perceived fall.
On the flip side I can fit under my stock ford unlike my old GMC that I had to pull out a jack for to get under.
 

rruff

Explorer
Pulling in nose first feels like driving off a cliff.
Plenty of that negotiating steep terrain offroad. Even if it's flat you can't see the last 100 ft or so of road; if you are alone, that's a lot of territory to gauge and remember! The hood height is purely style. They weren't like this 15 years ago... and it's getting worse.

First (and every) time I saw the new GM design I thought, what a silly abomination of style over function. But it seems most people believe it's the best looking truck, so the market has spoken.

Lol, but is yours not ZR2 Bison? I'm thinking a regular 4x4 Colorado would sit lower. Seems funny to buy a factory lifted off road truck then comment it's too high.
The lift and suspension are functional offroad improvements. The vanity hood and grill are unnecessary style choices that hinder function in all conditions.

A little before and after for the GM fullsize:



The Frontier isn't quite as bad:

 
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spectre6000

Observer
What Rruff said. The ZR2 Bison's off road goodies are great, but the top of the engine is deep relative to the underside of the hood (once you get under all the plastic decoration). The Australian market version doesn't have the visually embiggened bodywork. Trucks are supposed to be no nonsense tools for task.

I'm being a bit two faced here, because I really like that heated steering wheel on cold days. Never had one before. Certainly wouldn't have checked the box. In retrospect, I'm glad it came with the ZR2 package. I had heated seats in my BMW, and that was certainly nice, but not something I'd go out of my way for. My opinion may have changed on that subject.
 
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Deleted member 9101

Guest
Why is this so compared to earlier trucks?
Modern engines make more heat and run at higher temps than earlier trucks. My EcoBoost runs at temps (205°-210°) that would destroy an older motor, same goes for the tranny (195°-220°).

Modern vehicles also have much more stringent crash test standards that they have to meet. Being able to allow occupants to walk away from a 80mph head on crash into an concrete bridge pylon requires some beefy framework.
 

rruff

Explorer
If they run at higher temps then they need less radiator, not more. If the engine is more efficient it also needs less radiator.

Crash standards have nothing to do with hood height.

BTW, since this is the Frontier thread, they are using the exact same motor they used last year, so I don't think they needed a taller hood to accommodate it. It's all style, man!
 
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