Why are other full size SUV's not used in overlanding/offroading as often as Forerunner/Landcruiser?

jackflash

Observer
Overlanding ( traveling long distance and crossing continents) is very new in North America compared to other parts of the world, and also major factor is that. In less developed countries, traveling 500 miles is 5 days journey, that itself creates demand to have expedition ready vehicle, and Toyota and Land Rover had vehicles there long time due to conflicts and bad road conditions.
Plus domestic SUVs are not as good for expedition travel,
show me a domestic vehicle in the early 90s to be even remotely as capable and reliable as 80 series land cruiser?
At that time domestic was targeting luxury not ruggedness,
Even big beautiful blazers and ford broncos couldn’t mess with boxed frame , diff locked Toyota’s

When you think about overland in Africa, what vehicles come to mind ? Not Tahoe or f150 right ?

Now days things have changed, domestic makes amazing vehicles and overlanding is gaining momentum day by day in North America.

For example I have 2017 Tacoma TRD off road model, it used to be king of the hill in its segment, not anymore, ranger and Colorado are far better capable and expedition ready vehicles,

it’s awesome to see our domestic vehicles become more and more capable and reliable

**** who would ever thought that Ford Mustang can and will kick Porsche 911 gt2s ass. Strange world we live in.
I love these threads, because no one is ever right. When talking about "overlanding" I think long range and cargo space. Example trails: Alpine Loop, White Rim. No rock crawling.

Comparing a stock 1996 Ford Bronco to a 1996 Toyota Land Cruiser.

Bronco had a higher fuel range, more interior space, shorter wheel base and came stock with an LS in the rear.
Land Cruiser had higher ground clearance and a higher payload. F/R lockers were options.

LC had 4 doors and Bronco had 2 doors, 4 doors might be better for "overlanding" if you have more than 2 people. As for reliability, I put about 300k miles on a 1994 Bronco with the original engine and trans. So I wouldn't say the LC is greatly more reliable. For your comments about Africa and other countries, we can't really answer that question cause Ford never really sold their stuff there.

My favorite youtube channels are SoftLandingTheWest and Venture4wd. One drives a Subaru and the other a Jeep. Foreign / Domestic, who really cares, drive what you have or like the most and get out there. Take care of it and it will last a long time.

DescriptionFord BroncoToyota Land Cruiser
Engine TypeGasGas
Transmission4-speed automatic4-speed automatic
Drive TypeFour wheel driveAll wheel drive
CylindersV8Inline 6
Drive typeFour wheel driveFour wheel drive
Transmission4-speed automatic4-speed automatic
Range in miles (cty/hwy)416.0/512.0 mi.301.2/351.4 mi.
Fuel tank capacity32.0 gal.25.1 gal.
Turning circle36.6 ft.40.4 ft.
Maximum cargo capacity101 cu.ft.91 cu.ft.
Length183.6 in.188.2 in.
Maximum towing capacity7000 lbs.5000 lbs.
Curb weight4616 lbs.4760 lbs.
Gross weight6300 lbs.6525 lbs.
Ground clearance8.1 in.10.8 in.
Maximum payload1684.0 lbs.1765.0 lbs.
Wheel base104.7 in.112.2 in.
Width79.1 in.76.0 in.
 

lilkia

Active member
Why is it whenever I see the word "overlanding" I picture some skinny jean wearing, bad IPA swilling, twisted mustache, round glasses, flannel wearing, Wheres Waldo looking ************?

If you want to get technical everytime you drive anywhere in anything you are "overlanding". You are driving over the land. It is a **************** word used to make losers feel like they belong to some secret club. Does it get used here to make the people that never really go on a true "expedition" feel like they truly belong? I mean I get that. Outside of the military I dont think Ive ever truly been on an "expedition". Ive spent weeks at a time both on foot and with a vehicle in the back country, living on what I or we carried with us. Some voluntary some voluntold, still, not what I would consider an "expedition".

Im not here because I see myself as some kind of great explorer needing to share my adventures. Im here to glean some good technical advice and maybe share some of the same from decades of wrenching, and building and what works and what breaks and what is plain overkill. Im also here to look at, some, cool trucks. Anymore its seems like a SEMA show with a bunch of overbuilt vehicles loaded with crap that will never get a good dusting let alone actually dirty offroad. BUT they have really cool "Overlander" stickers on them and apparently thats what counts.

I generally dont get bothered or even pay attention to trendy pop culture crap, but I would really like to bitch slap whomever coined the term "Overland". Not to mention it sounds like some half baked overly and unnecessarily dramatic Netflix made series full of Millenial angst with either witches or zombies. Probably zombies maybe a vampire. Maybe this can be the one where the nonbinary individual can be torn between loving a half rotted walking corpse or a water starved merperson while camping in the post Covid high desert? Or did they do that one already?
 

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tdferrero

Active member
Why is it whenever I see the word "overlanding" I picture some skinny jean wearing, bad IPA swilling, twisted mustache, round glasses, flannel wearing, Wheres Waldo looking ************?

If you want to get technical everytime you drive anywhere in anything you are "overlanding". You are driving over the land. It is a **************** word used to make losers feel like they belong to some secret club. Does it get used here to make the people that never really go on a true "expedition" feel like they truly belong? I mean I get that. Outside of the military I dont think Ive ever truly been on an "expedition". Ive spent weeks at a time both on foot and with a vehicle in the back country, living on what I or we carried with us. Some voluntary some voluntold, still, not what I would consider an "expedition".

Im not here because I see myself as some kind of great explorer needing to share my adventures. Im here to glean some good technical advice and maybe share some of the same from decades of wrenching, and building and what works and what breaks and what is plain overkill. Im also here to look at, some, cool trucks. Anymore its seems like a SEMA show with a bunch of overbuilt vehicles loaded with crap that will never get a good dusting let alone actually dirty offroad. BUT they have really cool "Overlander" stickers on them and apparently thats what counts.

I generally dont get bothered or even pay attention to trendy pop culture crap, but I would really like to bitch slap whomever coined the term "Overland". Not to mention it sounds like some half baked overly and unnecessarily dramatic Netflix made series full of Millenial angst with either witches or zombies. Probably zombies maybe a vampire. Maybe this can be the one where the nonbinary individual can be torn between loving a half rotted walking corpse or a water starved merperson while camping in the post Covid high desert? Or did they do that one already?
I don't know I've seen someone so passionately upset over such a simple word. Show me on the doll where overland hurt you.
 

Shovel

Dreaming Ape
We can all lament the arrival of hipsters while ignoring the irony of being stuck in traffic but it isn't productive. At some point it would have been necessary to coin a word that implies broadly that you're planning to be away from your permanent address for more than a day and might need 4 wheel drive and lo, we have the word overland. Maybe it's the McDonalds Happy Meal of adventurous lifestyle choices but something I learned from punk rock is no matter how hard you try to differentiate yourself from the human mob you breathe the same boring air as everyone else and if you can order accessories from a catalog to support your lifestyle then your lifestyle is anything but unique.

So it's also not productive to establish cults around particular machines. Some people have built overland machines from the parts bin and we can celebrate their fabrication skills and ingenuity but nobody has hewn their overland brodozer from the raw soil; any line we draw across equipment is going to exist firmly in the domain of opinion.

As for expeditions? Mankind stopped having geographic frontiers a century ago. If there's a road to where you're going, you're not discovering it. If there's no road then in most developed nations there's a law against driving there. That makes on-continent vehicle based exploration a joke really so we might as well all be in on the joke and laugh about it. GG y'all :)
 

ne_dan

New member
As for expeditions? Mankind stopped having geographic frontiers a century ago. If there's a road to where you're going, you're not discovering it. If there's no road then in most developed nations there's a law against driving there. That makes on-continent vehicle based exploration a joke really so we might as well all be in on the joke and laugh about it. GG y'all :)
This, it's true there's no discovering anything unknown only whats new to us. And overlanding/roadtripping/offroading is just the way of getting there. No difference between grandma in the RV staying at the KOA and the dude with the fancy offroader stayig in the desert or woods as long as they are having fun.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Back then you didn't need 30k of bolt on junk to prove to passerby's that you were "overlanding."
40yrs ago out west we tried to down play our gear when out we had these people called “Hippies” who were trying to “live off the land” and things had a tendency to walk away from camp.
Today I try hard to have stuff out of sight on long trips given things even locked in place seem to disappear at rest stops, fast food joints even gas stations if your not standing guard over your rig 100% of the time.

My first new MT bike purchase since HS “I’m late 40’s now” was $1500! Cheap compared to what crazy people are paying for a bicycle today but even my $1500 bike I watch like a hawk till its out of sight in the garage. I still ride my 1987 MT bike I bought as a kid, its the family truckster / farmers market bike now.

If I traveled with these crazy big $ bikes they would all be lockedup, out of sight in a locked trailer during my trip not mounted on a huge display stand on my car. LOL
 

HUMMER/Expeditions

Active member
Let him talk, who cares.

But here is a information for that old fart.

I am 37 ( technicaly millennial )
education, masters,
Speak 5 languages
Self made millionaire.

Getting ready to travel from Spain to camchatka Rússia.
I am sure he is not educated enough to know where that is.

That’s called overlanding when you have to depend on your vehicle for long periods of time.

Next time you talk crap about younger generation and get butt hurt about overland world, just look at yourself in the mirror and think, what have you done in your life so adventurous to have the right to categorize certain groups of adventures based on there looks, what they drive and put on.

Not every millennial Is a ************,


Enjoy great outdoors my friends and don’t let’ hatred or categorization block your road.

Cheers.
God bless USA
 

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jackflash

Observer
Let him talk, who cares.

But here is a information for that old fart.

I am 37 ( technicaly millennial )
education, masters,
Speak 5 languages
Self made millionaire.

Getting ready to travel from Spain to camchatka Rússia.
I am sure he is not educated enough to know where that is.

That’s called overlanding when you have to depend on your vehicle for long periods of time.

Next time you talk crap about younger generation and get butt hurt about overland world, just look at yourself in the mirror and think, what have you done in your life so adventurous to have the right to categorize certain groups of adventures based on there looks, what they drive and put on.

Not every millennial Is a ************,


Enjoy great outdoors my friends and don’t let’ hatred or categorization block your road.

Cheers.
God bless USA
Wow, this has to be the most douchiest post in this the thread. Not even sure what provoked it. I didn't know we were measuring things on here.

You are right, not every millennial is a ************, but this post sure makes it sound like you are one.

How would you measure someone that:
- grew up in a trailer park
- has no formal education
- speaks one language
- owns multiple businesses
- has an amazing family
- lived in multiple countries
- has been on almost very continent
- doesn't need to tell anyone how much money they have

Can we get back to the topic of this thread? Wait, forgot to add that I "overland" on two wheels as well. Sometimes on no wheels, I'll let you figure that one out for yourself.

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Sometimes I like to "overland" fast.

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