Which EV would you buy?

Todd n Natalie

Observer
I find it interesting that the biggest auto maker with the largest number of different vehicles that will be EV platforms in the next year didn’t make your list. The company’s you mentioned are tiny and hand built custom cars. Even Hyundai’s EV is a odd hand built vehicle that doesn’t come off the standard production line and has a very restricted number. Last I looked less than 8000 world wide.

Ford is the only maker other than Tesla that will have mass produced EV / hybrid vehicles ranging from SUVs, Trucks, Bronco, and full performance EVs Mustang Mach E etc in the next year or two.

After having a plugin Ford hybrid for 70,000 miles I can say without doubt there are great reasons to have a hybrid over a straight EV especially in a region that gets utility power cuts due to storms and / or my case fire storm season etc. Even Plugin hybrids see lower ICE maintenance needs given idling and stop and go use which is hard on ICE fluids is greatly reduced given that’s mainly EV use. There are also very good reasons to have a straight EV performance! Lots of short trips, lots of local regional driving near zero maintenance etc.

Since COVID my trips tend to be short and not often the plugin hybrid has been the go too vehicle and has been EV mode the whole time. The Expedition gets gassed up on average once a month mainly due to trips to hiking or check on elder family members 50-60 miles away. Tools, dog, kids bikes taken along so Fusion gets left home.
Yep, I think if I ever were to get an EV truck I would be between an electric F150 and the Hummer. I can't imagine trying to service anything like a Rivian, Fisker, Bollinger etc around here. Which reminds me, isn't the Hummer EV supposed to be unveiled soon?

Right now, if I was in the market for a truck, I think the 2021 F150 Hybrid with the on board generator would be high up on my list. I prefer the idea of a hybrid for the time being.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Yep, I think if I ever were to get an EV truck I would be between an electric F150 and the Hummer. I can't imagine trying to service anything like a Rivian, Fisker, Bollinger etc around here. Which reminds me, isn't the Hummer EV supposed to be unveiled soon?

Right now, if I was in the market for a truck, I think the 2021 F150 Hybrid with the on board generator would be high up on my list. I prefer the idea of a hybrid for the time being.
Servicing or even replacement of a busted window can be a big challenge even with Tesla which is far more capable than the little micro custom builders. That brings up another discussion regarding overlanding and the occasional service issue which is a real concern for most people that travel beyond their local areas. That was a factor in my Domestics SUV decision over say a Subaru Ascent. I know I can find a local Ford/GM shop to sort out my SUV if stranded on a trip I’m going to have far far more success getting my Ford or GM going with local help vs say my Subaru or Mercedes etc. I would pick a Ford Transit van over a Mercedes for the same reason.
 

Lovetheworld

Active member
As many people I am also looking at the new electric 4x4s. However, they are not here yet, and will take even longer and be more expensive to reach us in Europe.
Right now we bought a (slightly used) Chevy Bolt (our European equivelant) which is a great car with a 250 mile range, fun to drive et cetera. Next to that we have a ICE 4x4 for holidays, and probably have for the next couple of years.

That way we don't have to wait, and don't have to spend that much money.
We also looked into a hybrid, such as the Mitsubishi Outlander. 2 cars in one. However, for how we use cars, the EV mode range would never be enough (25 miles).
If it would be enough for our daily usage, we would have probably bought one. They are not the best offroaders, but they are good enough for holidays. And you can lift them a bit etc.

And lets be honest, even if it is electric it is still pretty dumb to drive around with a big ass 4x4 (lets say F150 size) when all you do is commute to work or do grocery shopping. It is the dumbest thing, and even if it is electric, it will still cost you twice as much fuel/electricity as a medium to small car would.

So if you want to save the planet and/or save money, just buy a modest electric car for daily driving and commuting, like the Chevy Bolt / Tesla Model 3 or Hyundai EV or whatever, and keep you gas guzzler for the weekend.
 

Shovel

Dreaming Ape
I'm sticking with the internal combustion engine.
I agree. I'm sticking with fossil fuels as long as I can.
These aren't interchangeable :ROFLMAO:

Right now this is likely the single most important thing mankind can be working on to ensure our survival on a habitable and rich planet. Link - (ultra simplified TL:DR > seawater + sunlight goes in, drinking/agricultural fresh water + motor fuel + clean air comes out)

But it's not as marketable as fancy sports cars and you can't do stupid publicity stunts with it like use a hundred thousand gallons of petroleum to commercially produce hydrogen to use as rocket fuel to send an electric sportscar into space to sell pretend environmental virtue signaling to Chads.
 

Regcabguy

Expedition Leader
I'm sticking with fossil fuels as long as I can.
Same here. We drove through LA Friday and were trying to imagine scoring a recharge station. Two-three hr. recharge sitting in contaminated air and surrounded by a city that enables a bum lifestyle.
 

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The OP mentioned skiing. According to Car and Driver mag tests, in moderate winter temperatures with heater on high the Tesla heater consumes around 35% of the watts and up to 40% in really cold temperatures. So your range drops to around 200 miles and could be even less. Factor in slippery roads, use of headlights, audio, navigation, etc.
 

billiebob

Well-known member
But it's not as marketable as fancy sports cars and you can't do stupid publicity stunts with it like use a hundred thousand gallons of petroleum to commercially produce hydrogen to use as rocket fuel to send an electric sportscar into space to sell pretend environmental virtue signaling to Chads.
I like how yer mind works.
 

billiebob

Well-known member
The OP mentioned skiing. According to Car and Driver mag tests, in moderate winter temperatures with heater on high the Tesla heater consumes around 35% of the watts and up to 40% in really cold temperatures. So your range drops to around 200 miles and could be even less. Factor in slippery roads, use of headlights, audio, navigation, etc.
This is false. Go to the Tesla site and they let you plug in the outside temperature and see the range change. Yes, running heat or air shortens range just like a fossil fuel car gets worse mileage in the arctic or desert. But todays technology uses heat pumps to both heat and cool. As a result, E-cars heat and cool more efficiently than gas cars.

Your F150 gets awful mileage at 40 below too.
 

JaSAn

Active member
. . . just like a fossil fuel car gets worse mileage in the arctic or desert . . .
Your F150 gets awful mileage at 40 below too.
My Ram 2500 gas gets about 1 mpg less in the winter (including -43ºF, I've driven at that temperature) and that is mostly because of the crappy gas blend we have to put up with in the winter. After fluids and bearings warm up there should be little difference.

What kind of milage will a Tesla get at -40º?
 

billiebob

Well-known member
My Ram 2500 gas gets about 1 mpg less in the winter (including -43ºF, I've driven at that temperature) and that is mostly because of the crappy gas blend we have to put up with in the winter. After fluids and bearings warm up there should be little difference.

What kind of milage will a Tesla get at -40º?
Lucky you, my TJR gets 22 on a good day, 14 at 40 below. Same with every other car we have owned. Driving a semi I got 8mpg on a good day, 5mpg was my best in the arctic.

Teslas, never had one but people with them claim the website range calculator is accurate.
 
You gonna trust the manufacturer's data (and Elon Musk) over Car and Driver which did an actual driving test and posted the data? Do a web search for how much energy does the heater in an EV use? A gas car uses no additional gas to run the heater as there is plenty of heat available from the hot engine. My Tacoma with FWC camper has a 380 mile range in dry highway conditions and with two jerry cans of gas I get another 190, so there really is no doubt about the superior range over an EV.
 
If I went the EV route I would install a propane heater. I once knew a guy with a VW bug who ski bummed and hot wired one to the ignition so when the car started he got an instant blast of nice hot air. The tank was in the front storage comparment and the exhaust was vented outside. I don't know what brand or size or type of propane tank, but I would look into that.
 
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