I tried to use the patriot as an overlandish rig. It's no good off road for our areas. Stuff I use to sail right on through doing 80kph plus I have to go 20kph in the pat. So...instead of buying another gas mizer, we are getting a 2013 up JKU in white. As soon as well sell our current house, we are plunking down on a gently loved stock JKU sport in white. Pretty well going to go with the exact same setup I had on my 2011 mango JKU for suspension, wheels and tires, but adding a few extras. Stay tuned in the next month or so, for the start of that build. More on the patriot build soon as well. The suburban is now for sale.