stock TRD off road or Pro?
- Either , they are barely different except a few bolt on suspension components. Same weak V6. The Pro gets better departure/approach/break-over angles. Towing is 6800 vs 6400 in an Offroad vs Pro. Defender is nearly 8000.
in what conditions?
- Any
and I'll take not losing half my value in 3 years over going 'everywhere'....that plays into MANY people's decisions.
- Then this is now a conversation about value, not capability
I want JLR to make a proper Disco and Defender, but they insist on focusing on other things besides reliability and dependability. I just don't get it.
- Your definition of proper doesn’t count, you aren’t JLR, and they don’t owe you the car you think you want. You haven’t been following JLR on their latest models if you think they haven’t been focusing on reliability and dependability. The Defender has hardly been out a year lol.
Why do I need 'auto' anything on a Defender or Disco? Or air suspension? Or 278 way power seats with heated and cooled? Or 25 ECUs controlling untold amount of sensors? Or a screen?! (save your backup cam.....make it a secondary thing that can be removed)
- This is all preferential and has nothing to do with capability vs a Tacoma. Had LR had the available technology 50 years ago, they would have out it in the Defender then.
If it won't make it more dependable, reliable, or capable (for the long/remote haul). then why include it in those models? (save for power windows and proper HVAC.....with proper buttons)
- Your definition of “proper” is super subjective and can’t be used as a basis for an argument. What proper for one person is not proper for everyone else. There’s a reason the Defender has won several awards this past year. There’s a reason that had it only been a year or so since it’s release, it would have won first choice by Expedition Portal. An LC200 took the top spot because it has a long history of dependability.
Finally, you go configure a base Defender P300 with cloth seats, no heated seats, no sunroof, steel wheels, with the offroad and capability package for $55K out the door. And it carries 2K lbs of cargo, passengers, gear, etc. A Taco with its V6 just can’t keep up. That’s why you see Tacoma owners flashing their ECU’s with a better tune or installing Pedal Commander. Because the truck is lethargic otherwise.
I’d take capability over value any day because the rig I buy I keep for a long time and don’t plan on selling. Value isn’t important to me in that respect.
My fancy, geewhiz, 2006 offroad technology (which they used in the L319 until 2016) in my LR3 has me at 285K miles, I bought it at 74K miles. It’s turning out to be one of the best platforms LR ever released.
All this to say a Tacoma is what it is and fits some people’s mission profile for fun. Great. But if they want to do more, with better performance, better traction control, better comfort, then they need to find another platform in like an LC or Defender.
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