Talk me out of a Power Wagon

phsycle

Adventurer
I always thought of this when manufacturers switch from 6 lug wheels to 5 lug wheels, what's that save them per stud? x4 per truck, multiply by thousands of trucks, all trims levels, that's a big savings, curious why RAM went back to 6 lug with the latest refresh to the 1500.
Remember that these changes aren’t being absorbed by the company. Especially in this market.

Guess who pays for it?
 

jadmt

Well-known member
Well, time for my weekly PW build up. 🤣

Tradesman w PW package. Liking the mustard yellow.

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so when I bought mine which is the sliver one in post 22 a little over a year ago the white one had an msrp similar to this. I got mine for $50000 and the white one I could have gotten for $45000. Sometimes i think I should have went with the tradesman but then I go sit in my power wagon and totally forget the extra money :) i spent. Everyone is different tho on what is important to them. For me something you see every time you drive ie the dash and steering wheel is so much nicer on the power wagon. Believe it or not I actually let my wife make the choice and she said "it's a no brainer get the power wagon" happy wife happy life.
 

Todd n Natalie

Observer
Well, time for my weekly PW build up. 🤣

Tradesman w PW package. Liking the mustard yellow.

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Huh. I actually don't mind that yellow. I don't think that color shows up in Canada? I kinda like having colors no one else does.

That's how I ended up with a factory Tangier orange 2008 Sierra SLE.

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I still see that truck being driven around every now and then. Between the color and the way I modified it, it's pretty easy to tell it's my old truck, haha
 

Shovel

Dreaming Ape
Offroad half tons should be large 33s stock. To pay power wagon money and get 285/70R17 is quite annoying.
If we ignore cosmetics what exactly are the 285's not doing?

Serious question. I don't have any special love for Ram or any other brand, in fact I've owned more Fords than any other marque so this isn't coming from a brand loyalty position. I noticed Chevy's new ZR2 Silverado is on 33" tires not 35's.

The truck I drive today would fit 35's without a problem and the difference in purchase cost isn't prohibitive to me but I continue to just not have any problem with the 285's ... every time I've been bested by a trail it has been because my truck is too wide and that's something tires aren't going to fix.

I get the occasional chuckler advising me that 285's are "too small" ; so far none of them have offered to pay for the big tires or the gas they'd burn.

I'm not naive to the advantages of more rubber in some situations but those are situations we don't often put fullsize trucks through in the first place. To that point, when I have owned more trail-focused 4x4's in the past or hiked/biked those kind of trails I simply never see fullsize trucks at the scenic end of the trail. If people with fullsize trucks are driving those trails they sure are doing a good job of coordinating to do it when I'm not out there for decades now and I commend their dedication to this game of hide and seek.
 

jadmt

Well-known member
If we ignore cosmetics what exactly are the 285's not doing?

Serious question. I don't have any special love for Ram or any other brand, in fact I've owned more Fords than any other marque so this isn't coming from a brand loyalty position. I noticed Chevy's new ZR2 Silverado is on 33" tires not 35's.

The truck I drive today would fit 35's without a problem and the difference in purchase cost isn't prohibitive to me but I continue to just not have any problem with the 285's ... every time I've been bested by a trail it has been because my truck is too wide and that's something tires aren't going to fix.

I get the occasional chuckler advising me that 285's are "too small" ; so far none of them have offered to pay for the big tires or the gas they'd burn.

I'm not naive to the advantages of more rubber in some situations but those are situations we don't often put fullsize trucks through in the first place. To that point, when I have owned more trail-focused 4x4's in the past or hiked/biked those kind of trails I simply never see fullsize trucks at the scenic end of the trail. If people with fullsize trucks are driving those trails they sure are doing a good job of coordinating to do it when I'm not out there for decades now and I commend their dedication to this game of hide and seek.
ground clearance is my issue with the stock 31.6" tires. the lower control arms are only 8" and even he front pumpkin is only 9" with the stock tires. I offroad a fair amount and take good lines but stock tires if using a pw's capabilities is not cutting it. I loved 255/80-17's on my jkur but a tire that actually measures 31.6" is not going to cut it under many conditions. My tape measure and RAM's factory imput both shows 31.6 is the size of the tires. I use an AEV procal snap and that shows what Ram has the tires in the computer at. My mpg has changed very little if any from 285/70-17 to 35x12.5-17.
 

malibubts

Adventurer
not the greatest payload but I have been quite a bit over gvwr and you would never know it.
No issues with the weight of your GFC or bad handling when you're at or slightly above payload?

I'm toying with moving over to a 2500 and in the same spot with do I go PW or not. Biggest knock I have against the PW is that payload and worrying about a bad ride. I figured I've got 350# in my TreeHouse, 250# in my drawers, plus tools, fridge, water, dog, people, etc. I'm not worried overall as I don't plan on putting 2,500# of shingles or whatever back there but just want to make sure I wouldn't be pushing the limits and unhappy with the setup.
 

jadmt

Well-known member
No issues with the weight of your GFC or bad handling when you're at or slightly above payload?

I'm toying with moving over to a 2500 and in the same spot with do I go PW or not. Biggest knock I have against the PW is that payload and worrying about a bad ride. I figured I've got 350# in my TreeHouse, 250# in my drawers, plus tools, fridge, water, dog, people, etc. I'm not worried overall as I don't plan on putting 2,500# of shingles or whatever back there but just want to make sure I wouldn't be pushing the limits and unhappy with the setup.
no issues in handling whatsoever with total weight 9000lbs. I am selling my GFC and hope to get a fwc and have zero concerns. I have E rated Toyos and that probably helps over the d rated duratracs. This is how I would typically pack when camping. I have an ARB 50 that i carry in the cab. me and my wife and my dog. I carry a 20lb and 5lb propane tank, fire pit and blackstone grill. it does not sag much at all and handles like it is empty. I will get airbags if I get a FWC and call it good.
 

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phsycle

Adventurer
ground clearance is my issue with the stock 31.6" tires. the lower control arms are only 8" and even he front pumpkin is only 9" with the stock tires. I offroad a fair amount and take good lines but stock tires if using a pw's capabilities is not cutting it. I loved 255/80-17's on my jkur but a tire that actually measures 31.6" is not going to cut it under many conditions. My tape measure and RAM's factory imput both shows 31.6 is the size of the tires. I use an AEV procal snap and that shows what Ram has the tires in the computer at. My mpg has changed very little if any from 285/70-17 to 35x12.5-17.
Two factors for me. For the places I go (which are not rock crawling trails), roll over angle difference between 31 to 33 was very noticeable. Second was the extra sidewalk. Even airing down minimally to 25psi, I could tell a huge difference in ride comfort. Especially on washboard roads.

And this was on a midsize truck. For a full-size HD truck, 35’s would be almost mandatory for me. Actually, if I got a PW or Tremor, I’d probably go 37’s.

Yes, I could do with 33’s. Or 31’s. But not as comfortably. But whatever. I saw a freaking VW coming down the same trail I did last week. What do I know 🤣
 
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