Stellantis (Jeep) v. Mahindra again

GlennA

Adventurer
I'm not sure when Jeep granted Mahindra rights to manufacture wartime Jeeps. But, it had been going on for decades.

First Jeep files suit after the Mahindra off road only vehicle resembles a Jeep.

Now, Jeep is filing suit again because the Mahindra Thar resembles a Jeep.

If you allow a manufacturer to continually produce a product similar to yours for decades, I don't understand the beef.

The issue is probably related to the Jeep product selling for twice as much the Mahindra Thar in India.
 

Dan Grec

Expedition Leader
I'm not sure when Jeep granted Mahindra rights to manufacture wartime Jeeps. But, it had been going on for decades.

First Jeep files suit after the Mahindra off road only vehicle resembles a Jeep.

Now, Jeep is filing suit again because the Mahindra Thar resembles a Jeep.

If you allow a manufacturer to continually produce a product similar to yours for decades, I don't understand the beef.

The issue is probably related to the Jeep product selling for twice as much the Mahindra Thar in India.

There is also a funny quirk of trademark law - it's not enough to simply have a trademark legally granted, you must defend it in court, otherwise you lose it.

So sometimes these kinds of lawsuits come up simply because Jeep must do it.

-Dan
 
Who cares? India is standing up for itself after decades of post-British Rāj colonization. Who is an outsider to dictate to India what it can and can't do - keep in mind the Ukraine-Russian war, and India's stand on the matter.
 

Jurfie

Adventurer
Who cares? India is standing up for itself after decades of post-British Rāj colonization. Who is an outsider to dictate to India what it can and can't do - keep in mind the Ukraine-Russian war, and India's stand on the matter.

So...if an American company rips off a European/Indian/Australian/Chinese/whatever company, those companies shouldn't push back because "who are they to dictate to America what it can and can't do?" Mahindra happens to be an Indian corporation, not India itself.

Or if a Chinese company rips off an American company, who cares? Oh wait...that is already happening, and few care as long as they can buy cheap knock-off products.
 
So...if an American company rips off a European/Indian/Australian/Chinese/whatever company, those companies shouldn't push back because "who are they to dictate to America what it can and can't do?" Mahindra happens to be an Indian corporation, not India itself.

Or if a Chinese company rips off an American company, who cares? Oh wait...that is already happening, and few care as long as they can buy cheap knock-off products.

How does it feel to get ripped off? Think about India's contribution to the knowledge that you have today that makes it possible to make computers, vehicles, communications, medicines, etc.? You couldn't do this very well with the Roman numeral system... Yet acknowledgement to India contribution is rarely made - Algebra - India taught the numberal system to Arabs during trading, who in turn taught it to Westerners LATER.
 

Jurfie

Adventurer
How does it feel to get ripped off? Think about India's contribution to the knowledge that you have today that makes it possible to make computers, vehicles, communications, medicines, etc.? You couldn't do this very well with the Roman numeral system... Yet acknowledgement to India contribution is rarely made - Algebra - India taught the numberal system to Arabs during trading, who in turn taught it to Westerners LATER.

Where did I say India hasn’t made any contribution to modern civilization? And what does it have to do with stealing other companies’ designs? Sharing knowledge and mathematics is not the same as stealing another company’s intellectual property.

If an American company was stealing copyrighted material from an Indian company, I’d feel the same way. Don’t try to twist this into something it isn’t. There’s enough “us against them” mentality in the world these days.
 
You didn't have to say it because you didn't know... That India contributed to the West knowledge base is not well-known there. Some American companies have been taking what is Indic knowledge and patending it as their own. Lots of people in the field of spirituality have taken the knowledge, studied it, weeded out the objectionable material, reframed it into their Western/Christian frameworks, deleted the Indian source, and then claimed it as their own. This is called the U-Turn, and it gets even worse - the fifth step in the process is the re-exporting of this western product back to India, where people who don't know better accept it blindly. What goes around comes around. Unfortunately, it's working out like this when it comes to technology.
 

Jurfie

Adventurer
You didn't have to say it because you didn't know...

That's a wild leap of an assumption.

Anyways: plenty of cultures have added their influence to modern civilization, and to that of the west. That's what makes culture interesting. Perhaps you should look to embrace cultures other than your own, as you seem to have a chip on your shoulder towards America (and I say that as a Canadian). As @billiebob mentioned: this is a corporate licensing issue, not an America vs. India issue.

I'm done with this conversation. Get out and explore that beautiful countryside of yours, and let go of that bitterness that comes across in these posts. :cool:(y)
 

AbleGuy

Officious Intermeddler
Big News for you faux Jeep aficionados!

www.autoblog.com

Court decides Mahindra can continue selling the Roxor in the U.S. - Autoblog

Mahindra can continue selling the post-facelift Roxor side-by-side


Jeep's years-long fight to stop Indian firm Mahindra from selling the Roxor in the United States due to trademark infringement experienced a setback. The brand can continue selling the redesigned version of its open-top side-by-side, the Eastern District Court of Michigan decided.

“The bitter legal battle opposing the two carmakers began in the late 2010s, when Jeep — which was part of Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles at the time — claimed the Roxor looked too much like the CJ. In 2019, the United States International Trade Commission foundMahindra guilty of trademark infringement and recommended the implementation of a cease-and-desist order.

Mahindra redesigned the Roxor with a less CJ-like grille in 2020, but the United States International Trade Commission ruled in Jeep's favor in June 2020. The ruling only applied to the pre-facelift model, however, and a U.S. regulator later decided that the updated off-roader didn't infringe on Jeep's intellectual property…”
 

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