Hate to correct you (I did some checking [FCC] as you so correctly pointed out the flaw in my post) as you seem so well informed and legal (r u a comm lawyer by chance?), but Canada does NOT require any licensing for GMRS/FRS at all. The US DOES, but only for GMRS (CH1-7 and 15-22) not FRS (F=Family) FCC rules in 47 C.F.R. Part 95. Serious penalties could result for unlicensed use of GMRS channels. FCC will issue a call sign. Call FCC @ 800-418-FORM request #159 and #605. For questions call FCC @ 888-CALL-FCC. or www.fcc.govgary in ohio said:FRS is US and Canadian service. Both countries require type accepted radios to use on the band. FRS doesnt exist as a service anyplace else, but can be found in use. Many countires have similar types of radio, Europe has PMR radio's, PLR in several pacific countries. The US/Canadian, Europe and pacific radio all look the smae but are on different frequencies.
GMRS is only valid in the US and Canada (with a smaller number of channels) and BOTH countries require a license. Australia has a UHF CB service similar to GMRS but they require Specific radio's and the freq are different than the US, They also have more channels.
First off no I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV - You are correct, Canada dropped licensing a couple of years ago for GMRS, I never made mention about FRS requiring a license. Also please note GMRS doesnt have channels it has frequencies, so CH1-7 and 15-22 are not validate designators for GMRS while many combo radio's have similar channels, there is no FCC law that defines channels. YOU also need to look at the radio and HOW the radio was certified. I have a combo radio that channels 1-14 are FRS no US license and 15-22 require a US license and yet another radio is the more common 1-7/15-22 GMRS US license and 8-14 FRS.CanuckMariner said:Hate to correct you (I did some checking [FCC] as you so correctly pointed out the flaw in my post) as you seem so well informed and legal (r u a comm lawyer by chance?), but Canada does NOT require any licensing for GMRS/FRS at all. The US DOES, but only for GMRS (CH1-7 and 15-22) not FRS (F=Family)
Most people do not actually know the frequencies, just the channels, that's why I mentioned them.gary in ohio said:First off no I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV - You are correct, Canada dropped licensing a couple of years ago for GMRS, I never made mention about FRS requiring a license. Also please note GMRS doesnt have channels it has frequencies, so CH1-7 and 15-22 are not validate designators for GMRS while many combo radio's have similar channels, there is no FCC law that defines channels. YOU also need to look at the radio and HOW the radio was certified. I have a combo radio that channels 1-14 are FRS no US license and 15-22 require a US license and yet another radio is the more common 1-7/15-22 GMRS US license and 8-14 FRS.
When talking about combo radios that are pre-programmed you get some channelization, but I have a GMRS radio where channel 8 on my radio isnt the same as channel 8 on your radio. When you get a "true" GMRS radio, one without FRS specific frequencies, you program the radio to the frequencies you want and Channels are just places to hold frequencies. There is NO concept of a standard channel in GMRS. Heck I have a radio that has channel labeled A,B,C and DCanuckMariner said:Most people do not actually know the frequencies, just the channels, that's why I mentioned them.
Ok, A little history, Originally GMRS users were assigned a specific frequencies to use. You would license a specific number of mobiles, bases, small bases and repeaters based on the way commercial radio was. GMRS was suppose to be an easy access way to get 2way communications to the masses. It wasnt and still isnt suppose to be a "hobby service" Many 2 way radio shops would put up repeaters and lease time on the repeaters.That has since changed. The FCC rules has since changed to allow all GMRS licensees to use any of the GMRS frequencies. NOTE; FRS and GMRS are different services but share 7 frequencies. GMRS rules apply to GMRS certified radio's and FRS rules apply to FRS radios, For combo radios with both GMRS and FRS in the same radio, The GMRS rules apply when operating on a frequency that is GMRS and FRS rules apply when on a FRS freq. Its gets confusing when your on the shared channel because some radio's are certified as a GMRS on the shared freq and some are certified as FRS on the same freq. ONE OF THE DUMMEST things the FCC has done is allow the combo radios.DaveInDenver said:Something that is confusing me, when I read the FCC website about GMRS, it does talk about channelization. So the FCC is only presenting a suggested band plan and you are allowed any frequency usage? Or are there are assigned frequencies, but the actual channel-to-frequency numbering is simply unique to Motorola, Uniden or other manufacturer's radios?
While they use the word channel is this case they are referring to the radio channel for that freq.Channel Sharing
Every GMRS system station operator must cooperate in sharing the assigned channel with station operators in other GMRS systems by monitoring the channel before initiating transmissions, waiting until communications in progress are completed before initiating transmissions, engaging in only permissible communications and limiting transmissions to the minimum practical transmission time.
This is any station on the shared 7 frq.mobile station or small base station operating in the simplex mode*
This is the repeater output or simplex stationsbase station, mobile relay station, fixed station or mobile station
This is the repeater inputmobile station, control station or fixed station in a duplex system
CanuckMariner said:What I mean here is most Ham radios have some memories, whether it is regular, band, hyper, home, etc. We no doubt have quite the variety of radios and hence different memory spots on this forum.
Being a FT7800R owner, I have recently organized my memories to suit a pretty functional need. The radio comes with 1000 regular memories which I have used to hold all the repeaters in provinces/states and then assigned 1 bank (20 banks available)
The banks of the 7800 give you a lot flexibility but few radio have banks.
You need to organize to what makes sense to you. I have channels I use on a regular basis near one another within a memory range. I have a set of channels with skywarn channels back to back, even if the channels is also available in another memory slot. I have another grouping for ARES or a different town nearby. I seldom program all the channels and seldom program for anything I dont drive on a normal basis.
Since repeaters tend to cover a large area a local city the repeater is in would be fine for lat/long. MOST repeater owners tend to be territorial as to where the repeater is actually located so I doubt you going to get exact lat/long. Just opens them up for thieves to steal the repeater.On another thread someone had a great idea where they got the lat/long of each repeater (I donna where?)
Great system, not unlike what I have found to use for my travels as well. How do you remember which bank is which? Does the 8800 allow you to rename the banks or do you have a cheat sheet?DaveInDenver said:I love having memory banks! Running a FT8800 and mine is set up roughly as follows.
Bank 1: Regular local repeaters
Bank 2: NOAA WX stations (the 8800 does not have them pre-programmed like the 7800)
Bank 3: 2m and 70cm simplex on Colorado spacing
Bank 4: Colorado Connection state-wide system
Bank 5: Utah repeaters (SINBAD, Moab, SLC, etc.)
Bank 6: I-80, Tahoe, Rubicon (set-up specifically for our club Rubithon trip)
Bank 7: Cross band repeating inputs (simplex frequencies w/ PL tones for HT TX repeat, no RX side repeat)
Bank 8: Western slope repeaters (Grand Junction, Aspen, Breck, Vail, Salida, etc.)
Bank 9: Open
Bank 10: FRS stations (monitoring can be handy)
I use bank 1 daily and usually have both sides set up on bank 1, one side scanning and the other I might roll through a couple of main ragchew repeaters. A typical trip might be to switch one side to bank 4 and let it scan (or select the right repeater if I know) and the other side is either bank 3 or bank 8. If I'm solo, it would most likely be bank 8 (I have 146.520 and 446.000 in all banks). As we get beyond the western slope repeaters, I will switch to bank 5 for Moab, for example. Each bank would have monitoring frequencies, too, like police, NPS or USFS frequencies if I know them. This way I can organize the radio and only have to remember to set the right bank and all the appropriate memories and tones are active.
Not a difficult task at all actually, just tedious given the number of repeaters in the state, then cross referencing them in TOPO or Google Earth and adding them to the .gpx file. The myth that repeater sites are a closely guarded secret, so much so that national security is dependant on them remaining secret, is nothing more than a ham radio 'ol wives tale. Finding the sites was the easy part.CanuckMariner said:On another thread someone had a great idea where they got the lat/long of each repeater (I donna where?) and then programmed this into their GPS as a POI, so it gives a tone when they are within X miles of it and hence know which repeater to use. Kool, eh? Love to be able to do this with my GPS (Garmin c320) but need to find the coords first, then how many POIs will it take and how to get them in a file and then transfer to GPS.
Any one see anything wrong with this organization or any improvements? How about how you organize your radios?