New Defender News

naks

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"An off-road Rambo with mud in its veins
Jeremy Clarkson
Sunday November 29 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times

Over the past six months this column has sometimes been about farming and sometimes about cars. And now it’s about both at the same time, because today I’m writing about the new Land Rover Defender.

It has been designed by the company’s chief stylist, Gerry McGovern, to look like the old Defender, and I can’t see why. When Apple was designing its phone, it didn’t say: “It must be red and 8ft tall, and it must smell of urine and be full of ladies’ phone numbers.” It went ahead and did something different.

But Gerry, a little man who hates me because I’m so much taller than him, may have been wise on this occasion, because he understands the British don’t like different. The last Defender was launched just after the Second World War, then not really altered at all for 67 years.

And when the company did pull the plug, lots of Brexit-type people rushed about saying they would put it back into production themselves, so that proper British men — men, d’you hear — could continue to drive a car that smelt of damp dogs and was full of sharp edges.

I was never a fan of the old Defender, and because the new one is so obviously designed to be a modern-day interpretation, and has been styled by a small man who hates me, I was determined to dislike it as well.

Initially this was a struggle, because it does look good. I had the short-wheelbase Defender 90 model and there was definitely a Tonka-toyish charm allied to a hint of meat. The meat’s real too. This is a car that can wade through water nearly 3ft deep and is fitted with electrics so robust they can be submerged for an hour and still work. It is not, then, just a Range Rover with right angles. It’s been beefed up everywhere to cope with everything.

And that was good news, because the day after it was delivered to my farm, men came with machines to resurface my drive. This meant that for a week the only way into the world would be via what we call the brown back passage.

It is a very muddy track, and sometimes it’s very muddy without being a track at all. And I could not believe how well the Defender coped. Even my tractor slithers about in one notorious 200-yard slab of clay, but the little Land Rover kept on going.

I didn’t even need to employ any of its “special programs”, which is a good thing, because to engage these you must first press a button on the dash and then use an iPad-style touchscreen thing to make your selection. That’s only going to work if you’re 12.

Later that afternoon I heard gunfire on the other side of the farm, so, fearful that someone was shooting my deers, I set off up the brown back passage and into the woods, where the 90’s smallness meant I could zip about easily between the trees. It was also extremely comfortable, and although my test car had the 2-litre petrol engine, and not a torquey diesel, it was sprightly and gutsy too.

Soon I forgot why I’d gone out, and was to be found trying to get it stuck in bogs and on muddy banks so I could be manly and use my tractor to pull it out. I was quite sad when I failed, but then happy the next day when someone borrowed it and called moments later to say that she was bogged down in some — not very — deep ruts. I won’t say who it was. Only that her name begins with an “L”. And ends with an “isa Hogan”.

Even more impressive than the off-road comfort and ability was the interior. It’s not completely “wipe clean”, sadly, and I hated the tiny man’s faux and pointlessly visible screw heads, but there are so many cubbyholes and pockets for things, you could play kick the can in there and never find anyone. It looks good too, apart from the stupid fake screws, which I don’t think I’ve mentioned. I especially liked the folding canvas sunroof. It made me think of the Tudor Webasto on my grandad’s old Rover.

After three days I was fairly confident that I would be buying a Defender soon, but then I checked the price and, er, I’m sorry. What? The car I’d had — the short-wheelbase model with the tiny engine — was more than £62,000 with the options factored in.

Even if you take away all the extras that had been fitted, it’s still at least 50 grand and, excuse me, but if I want a vehicle to cart around bales of straw and sheep — and I do, by the way — why would I spend £50,000-plus on a Defender, when for much, much less I could do what all farmers do and get a pick-up?

Certainly a pick-up would “bong” less. The Defender alerts you firmly and loudly when you open the door or don’t do up your seatbelt, and it becomes completely hysterical when you’re manoeuvring and nearing such terrors as blades of grass or a small shrub. This is all extremely annoying when you’re using the car as a tool.

The problems continued the next day when I drove to London, because on the motorway there was quite a lot of wind noise and the sort of constant diagonal pitching motion most closely associated with cross-Channel ferries in the 1960s. Is this a consequence of the excellent off-road ability? Or has it been “engineered in” to give drivers a flavour of the old car? Rover did it with the styling, so who knows?

In London it was the eve of lockdown 2.0 and absolutely everyone was squeezed into the tiny bit of the road network that hasn’t been turned into a cycle lane. It took three hours to get from the Strand to the River Café in Hammersmith and en route the Land Rover bonged at everything, convinced we were perpetually on the verge of a massive crash.

But everyone was looking at it and everyone was giving it the thumbs-up. I admit that, thanks to some clever details and the silver paint with the optional satin film, it did look good. The tiny man who hates me has seen to that.

His engineering department has done a bloody good job as well, because it’s not like those idiotic American backwoodsmen who dress up like Rambo and imagine they’re former Delta Force troops. This is the real deal. It’s a properly serious off-roader.

I was determined to hate the new Defender, then, but I don’t. Despite the relentless bonging, it’s a fine and clever car. Sadly, however, I can’t see the point of it.

For serious countrymen that price tag is too high, and for top-of-the-range models it goes higher still, to more than £80,000. I know there are “commercial” versions coming next year, and they’ll be less expensive, but for now I’m inclined to go for a cheaper, more tax-efficient and much more practical Ford Ranger Raptor.

You, on the other hand? Well, if you are a hedge-fund manager and you commute every Friday night to your house in the country, where there are cattle grids and speed humps and sometimes a pheasant to steer round, be in no doubt: the new Defender will be not as good as the Range Rover you quite rightly have now."
 

Nick4

New member
I've seen several around Colorado Springs - about as many as I've seen of the Discovery 5. Three or four have had the full kit, almost every one has had the roof rack. Up close they are much better looking than they appear online. One had what looked like the Lucky8 sliders.

Judging by the numbers I've seen on the road this close to launch, during the pandemic, vs the Discovery 5 after its launch - I'd say the Defender is going to be much more popular than the D5 and may even help LR hit their targets....

I still haven't seen one in the Springs. But I probably have blinders on, I get my in Feb and want to believe I am the first in the region.
 

mpinco

Expedition Leader
So from Clarkson's perspective the new LR5/Defender/Discovery is a good 4WD for the hedge fund manager crowd that already has a Range Rover, a farm and needs a toy. For everyone else it is too expensive.
 

Carson G

Well-known member
So from Clarkson's perspective the new LR5/Defender/Discovery is a good 4WD for the hedge fund manager crowd that already has a Range Rover, a farm and needs a toy. For everyone else it is too expensive.
He also said it looks too much like the old Defender. Lol
 

mpinco

Expedition Leader
Land Rovers issue is depreciation for the original owner. A well equiped late model RR can be had for 50% of initial sales price. While that RR is still pricey, the new Defender is in the same ballpark price.

And that RR probably has a V8 ......

Now about that hedge fund ....
 

DieselRanger

Well-known member
I still haven't seen one in the Springs. But I probably have blinders on, I get my in Feb and want to believe I am the first in the region.
I live in Briargate, all the ones I've seen were on the North end of town including a Pangaea Green one on USAFA Friday and a blacked out one with full Adventure Pack I've seen a couple times off Voyager. I don't count any I see off Nevada or around Motor City without plates as those are usually test drives.

When I was down at the dealer in June or so they were closing on two while I was there, I drove the silver demo SE P400 and it was nice.
 

A.J.M

Explorer
My local dealer doesn’t have any in stock.
Quite popular here.

same dealer I took my 3 hour test drive from.

hammond has been restoring that Series 1 since the early days of his top gear career.
He’s not get very far in 15+ years...
 

catmann

Active member
I guess it depends on where you live, my local dealer has 6 Defenders, which is the most they have of any model on their lot. Land Rover Tysons Corner/Chantilly (Washington DC) has 33 Defenders on the lot, again the most of any Land Rover model they have.
 

DieselRanger

Well-known member
Meanwhile, in Zuid Afrika, Kingsley Holgate is expeditioning their two new Defenders without incident, whereas their old Defenders have required repairs in the field.
 

mpinco

Expedition Leader
I guess it depends on where you live, my local dealer has 6 Defenders, which is the most they have of any model on their lot. Land Rover Tysons Corner/Chantilly (Washington DC) has 33 Defenders on the lot, again the most of any Land Rover model they have.

Land Rover hasn't changed in decades. That has been true since the early days. You will always find inventory in NJ, TX, FL and CA. Go where the $$$ are. Houston has 15+ between two dealers. Price? Well dig deep.
 

plainjaneFJC

Deplorable
Land Rovers issue is depreciation for the original owner. A well equiped late model RR can be had for 50% of initial sales price. While that RR is still pricey, the new Defender is in the same ballpark price.

And that RR probably has a V8 ......

Now about that hedge fund ....
Why do they depreciate like that? I think I know the answer....;)
 

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