NAS LR3 build with an overseas twist

Ray_G

Explorer
Thanks for the reply, good news. I am looking at a small side drawer solution in my platform where the right 2nd row seat is when removed. Something I can open with the passenger door open.

Keep up the good work!

Take a look at the dimensions, but from a quick look at the space you are describing you may well have room for using one of those drawers in that application. While I went with 3U they do have various sizes to use. More pics in a bit to show where I changed the lock to a latch for one, and to a combo lock for the other.
 

A.J.M

Explorer
I've heard many mixed reviews on the Superpro bushes, for extra noise, harshness and causing failures of the actual arms.

Personally, i replaced the factory D3 arms at 117,000ish miles. They were pretty worn, they got changed with the rear lowers, and front uppers, all 4 arbs and steering arms. I changed all parts with Genuine parts. The uppers were done with RRS arms. Car is now at 190,000ish miles and rear uppers are needing changed again.
Going back to Genuine D3 arms. Kinda disappointed in the lower life of the bushes, the front bush on the arms have gone and i can give the arm a good shake with the free play.

They seem to go from being fine, to shot in a short amount of time. Genuine D3 arms and bolts can be had from £270 delivered off ebay so thats my plan then hand to my trusted specialist for fitting and alignment.
 
@Ray_G sounds good, I'll check them out and hit you up direct when I get around to it. Still have to figure out my final layout for the sleeping platform on that side and since I have a the final engine accessory failing (power steering pump), I think I'll be tackling that now upon return from work travel in a few weeks.
 

Ray_G

Explorer
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Another one of those weekends where the truck just proves its worth. Took a trip from N. Va down to Va Tech for the eldest to do some engagement with some engineering students and then a weekend of potential student orientation. Since that faciliated us handing her off to her mom and some point, we took advantage of the proximity to Mt Rogers to go for a hike. Early in the week we'd mounted the tent with the hope that it'd be warm enough to camp, but in talking to some of the rangers they noted the forecasted temps were likely to be in the teens and, well, I've spent too many nights freezing my ass of courtesy of uncle sam to do that for fun so we booked a super cool 1920's era hotel in Marion VA instead. Hence the shot in front of it.

Coozies....the coffee drawer needs coozies.
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In VA tall hills count as Mtns...and this one was the highest we could find in the state.
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But there are ponies living in the wild so that's cool.
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As many note, the LR's ability to cover long distances of interestate in comfort, with plenty of space for everyone, is really superb. We did hit some gravel roads running around after the college tour time but didn't get any good shots of that. Think we'll leave the tent on for the summer since there is more camping to be had soon now that it's warming up.
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Also coming soon...maxtrax mounts on the outside, and the other drawer's contents get sorted.
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latarheel

latarheel
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Another one of those weekends where the truck just proves its worth. Took a trip from N. Va down to Va Tech for the eldest to do some engagement with some engineering students and then a weekend of potential student orientation. Since that faciliated us handing her off to her mom and some point, we took advantage of the proximity to Mt Rogers to go for a hike. Early in the week we'd mounted the tent with the hope that it'd be warm enough to camp, but in talking to some of the rangers they noted the forecasted temps were likely to be in the teens and, well, I've spent too many nights freezing my ass of courtesy of uncle sam to do that for fun so we booked a super cool 1920's era hotel in Marion VA instead. Hence the shot in front of it.

Coozies....the coffee drawer needs coozies.
c8d32d47e4cb767d633e4c2075492a3a.jpg


In VA tall hills count as Mtns...and this one was the highest we could find in the state.
894424e67b14cc72882388b6d5162e72.jpg

But there are ponies living in the wild so that's cool.
09d4b53e01e8c32a0c94b7751aab6b4a.jpg

As many note, the LR's ability to cover long distances of interestate in comfort, with plenty of space for everyone, is really superb. We did hit some gravel roads running around after the college tour time but didn't get any good shots of that. Think we'll leave the tent on for the summer since there is more camping to be had soon now that it's warming up.
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Also coming soon...maxtrax mounts on the outside, and the other drawer's contents get sorted.
r-
Ray

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Ray_G

Explorer
Middle of kiddos spring break but managed to get my maxtrax mounted to the rack with the RTT on...very happy with how it all turned out.
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Ray_G

Explorer
Some more shots from today, we played with traction aids given the ongoing commentary in the 'maxtrax, are they worth it?' thread. Yes, that is the answer.
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Ray_G

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Milestone passed. Immensely appropriate that it was on 66 traveling back from WV to NoVA. Given some things afoot there will likely be many more milestones passed on that stretch.

She got a slightly early oil change yesterday.

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Today she got to do a little bit of terrain response to get to the little tucked away range, and then also served in a very typical rover way.
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Ray_G

Explorer
Finally at home for a weekend, which I guess is a good thing. Time for some more details to accompany the spring weather flurry to get MT's mounted and such.

First, the other 19" 3U server rack drawer now has neoprene and foam in it. A nice discreet place if I want to lock up something that breaks down into two parts to fit the foam. That something often looks like the one on the left that takes glock mags.
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Is that necessary? Almost certainly not-but it falls into the better to have and not ever need vice need and not have. Not to mention the kids tend to enjoy shooting enough that we spend time doing that given opportunity so being able to lock it up discreetly is nice. To the point about the kiddos, a recent favorite from their spring break.
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Thus the truck is being used as intended.

The Maxtrax on the rack has been one of those things I've dwelled on for months. Really since we got the RTT. Autohome has the fit kit that allows you to mount things on top, and last summer I first mounted traditional bars on there-then realized I hated the inelegance of how high they were. So I made my own out of steel & l track. That worked great for putting the MT's on top.
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Downside; gas rams in the Autohome couldn't quite lift two pairs of MTs + the 'bespoke' crossbars. I would guess total weight is ~35lbs given each MT's weight of 3.4kg. Autohome told me they don't recommend more than 30; meaning you can carry more but if you are planning on leaving it on the tent when you raise it keep it under that threshold. I thought that taking the MT's off every time we want to sleep defeated the purpose.

Thus I went on a multi-track approach. Options include:
-Don't take MT. I didn't like that for a variety of reasons.
-Store MT's inside. Feasible, and started me down the path of a second shelf to allow the MT's to sit centerline in the back of the truck. That said a lot of space is already spoken for in the truck as she gets tailored. Ultimately that killed this idea.
-New gas rams. The internet is magical...pulling one of the rams from the tent revealed its specifications, the key one being that the stock rams have 360n of force for lift (or about 81lbs of lbf). So I found some alternate gas struts of identical proportion but now with 400n (100lbf) of force! Concurrent with this idea was the idea of mounting the MTs on the rack, using L track I'd mounted there to hold them in place. Creating an adequate bracket was a lot of trial, error, bending, failing, etc-but the prospect of getting it right meant a lower profile, the MT's easier to access for stucks (and easier to access to pull to help level the truck when using the RTT). It also facilitated the opportunity to offset where the ladder mounts. As is often the case, after the gas struts were ordered a breakthrough in the bending took place. Thus I went with option four.
-Rack mounting the MT's on the side.
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So there's a lot to unpack, for that small population of folks with a hardshell RTT on top of their prospeed roof rack who want to get their maxtrax on the side...
Perhaps its best to just have a quick overview, and if someone else in the world is in that position they can message me for ideas.

The setup does rest on the truck just above the rear doors, I wrapped the mounting bracket in pipe insulation and also took a square of self-adhesive neoprene and put that directly on the truck to mitigate damage to the paint and rattling.
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That shot does a good job laying out the overall mounting to the L-track (bolts into double stud l track fittings which use 3/8 bolts with FINE thread for anyone still reading and intersted). The special sauce is the flat stock between the two that has two metal triangles that offset the MT mounts. That was the bending, cussing, cutting, and such. Once one was crafted it got a lot easier.
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A lot of time building in the ability to change the cant to get it to sit well on the truck.

Final phase of that process underway now, which is making a second bracket for the passenger side where we'll offset the Autohome's ladder to give a second ingress/egress to the tent. With where the tent's entrance is on the side the ladder that it comes with blocks the rear passenger door. Annoying to say the least. Now with the MT's mounted on the sides you can add a small piece to move the ladder aft slightly, allowing access to the whole truck while retaining the ability for me to get in/out via the FR ladder on the rear hatch while the wife tends to prefer going out her side. Little things you pick up on after spending a few nights in the tent.
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So that's that major minor project in some detail.

As noted earlier this week she passed 150k. Time to get the transmission fluid changed (filter kit from AB on hand) since the little faint wobble is there on hills under low throttle. Beyond that she's doing great. Since we're building in all the mods for the truck with RTT on it full time I think her weight will remain static, and thus the OME HD coils in the back may not be quite what I want...so I've got an order in with Dobinson's from AUS to get a pair of their coils which should ensure no sag and better performance laden/towing. I'll also be moving the sirius antenna up to the RTT to unmask it, and mount a solar panel at some point (thus the gas struts may still come in handy).

More than that, the truck has work to do this summer both in terms of camping, exploring, and the prospect of getting a new house has emerged. Since that's only under contract, more to follow after closing.
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sunrisehiker

Adventurer
Ray,
would you be able to elaborate on real life experience on awning a hard-shell RTT and observations, conclusions with driving highway and off road with it mounted on LR3 ?
- how is the overall additional noise on top of Prospeed roof rack?
-are two XRS Prospeed round bars sufficient for mounting that particular RTT on rack ? Was fitment tight due to low profile and nature of that roof rack ?
- Fuel economy down a lot ?
Int is hard to find any reviews on line regarding LR3 and hardshell tent use.
I am planning a road trip in May from NJ to Yellowstone area as well as come Utah adventure and maybe CO exploration depending on the road closures due to unusually large snow amount this year.Really wanted to rent a hardshell RTT but there is virtually no rental places in East Coast and purchase option is not in cards right now as I just had to surgeries in the last four months and been out of work due to those factors. There is one place that I can rent from in southern Utah but kind of out of our way and we would have to return to the same location limiting ourselves with camping options especially on the way back to NJ.
There was one more option, RTT from Costco, but it is unavailable now, well see if it pups back on the website.Some Chinese copy that weights 0ver 153 lbs.
The good thing is we could always return it if unhappy.
I don't really know anything about camping with hardshell RTT as I always slept in ground tents ad shelters. Thank you in advance ! Cheers
 

Ray_G

Explorer
Answers to the questions from Sunrisehiker-
Would you be able to elaborate on real life experience on awning a hard-shell RTT and observations, conclusions with driving highway and off road with it mounted on LR3 ?
- how is the overall additional noise on top of Prospeed roof rack?
There is a little more noise. The prospeed essentially has no significant noise, so adding the RTT-even as sleek as it is, increased that negligible noise somewhat. It is far from adversarial, and in truth below 70 it is unnoticeable.
-are two XRS Prospeed round bars sufficient for mounting that particular RTT on rack ? Was fitment tight due to low profile and nature of that roof rack ?
Yes, two bars is more than enough. Fitment is pretty tight, particularly since I previously had the XRS mounts raised slightly to sit on top of the flooring. Over the winter I cut away enough flooring to have the mounts now flush with the rack again-making for a very tight fit between the rack and tent (less than 1" of clearance-which cuts down on the aforementioned wind noise). No real issue with install-just use an extension on a ratchet or a T handle allen.
- Fuel economy down a lot ?
No, not really. Perhaps .5mpg down, maybe 1mpg if I'm really running it hard. On the whole the sleek nature of the tent & rack, the tight clearance between the two, and such all make for as good of aerodynamics as you are going to get with the truck.

Int is hard to find any reviews on line regarding LR3 and hardshell tent use.
I am planning a road trip in May from NJ to Yellowstone area as well as come Utah adventure and maybe CO exploration depending on the road closures due to unusually large snow amount this year.Really wanted to rent a hardshell RTT but there is virtually no rental places in East Coast and purchase option is not in cards right now as I just had to surgeries in the last four months and been out of work due to those factors. There is one place that I can rent from in southern Utah but kind of out of our way and we would have to return to the same location limiting ourselves with camping options especially on the way back to NJ.
There was one more option, RTT from Costco, but it is unavailable now, well see if it pups back on the website.Some Chinese copy that weights 0ver 153 lbs.
The good thing is we could always return it if unhappy.
I don't really know anything about camping with hardshell RTT as I always slept in ground tents ad shelters. Thank you in advance ! Cheers

So this is the hardest facet to address. Our choice of a hardshell RTT has been covered on these pages as it came into being but basically boils down to being tired of being on the ground, wanting to optimize for quick setup/teardown, and having the means to throw $$$ at the problem. We were fortunate in being able to look at a JB and a Roofnest before deciding that the autohome would work best for our application.

By and large I strongly feel that hardshell is > softshell. Those have similar benefits to hardshell in terms of having the tent mounted, off the ground, but setup is longer and much more fiddly (as is tear down) from everyone I've talked to our soon. That is a relative statement though, many would say once you have a system it isn't bad and everyone's threshold for what is a PITA vs tolerable is different.

Personally I think the hardshell fits better for the LR3 in terms of looks-but that is very much a subjective opinion.

Depending on budget and long term intentions were I you I'd consider roofnest in the hardshell lineup. It is lower quality than Autohome or JB, but they have great customer service and some interesting features. If you take care of it, it would likely prove up to the task (when we looked at one the gracious and honest owner noted 'it likely isn't the RTT you'd own for the rest of your life, but it fits well with a budget to get out and camp.' For us we wanted something we'd have for the rest of our lives...thus we decided the investment of more $ was worthwhile.)

Hope that helps.
r-
Ray
 

sunrisehiker

Adventurer
Thanks Ray!
You have been very helpful with answering my questions . Cheers ! Hopefully I see you on 2019 VOR ?
I remembered that someone mentioned that Prospeed abs modular floor warped. I can confirm that as well. I have three sets to cover entire roof and boy they warped ...It is a nice platform to stand on, but due to their design, it is very easy to end up with a gallon of water inside the cabin if one rolls down the window after a rain.ask me hoe I know that...even on next day those slots will hold water and that turns to ice in winter with potential projectiles hitting others driving behind you..
 
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Ray_G

Explorer
I hope to get to VOR but am reluctant to speak to soon since work ALWAYs conspires against me for that event for some reason-thus we've got it on the master calendar and are crossing our fingers.

I'm surprised the flooring warped that much-that's unfortunate. I'm glad that I just went chicken coop route b/c of my Disco1 roots. It's held up well, and takes to modifying easy (it looks like it has been in a fight with a sawzall at this point b/c of all the mods, but is still functional and now hidden by the RTT.
 
Great response @Ray_G I have to go along with you on the hardshell>soft-shell. Yes, any process can make it easier on the individual, but the process is still the same when it comes to usability. I'm putting the sleeping kit inside for the exact reason that I want quick and easy mobility for trail events over the comfort of the RTT and weight on the roof; I love the ARB Simpson III RTT but the process is not even in the ballpark compared to set-up and breakdown ease. Longer trips that I plan to be out and about on the dirt roads I will carry along the RTT as I expect to be in one spot more than moving around. Given what I know now, the hardshell RTT is the best all around and the only tradeoff is the weight on the roof which is unavoidable in any RTT configuration. Ultimately, I believe people need to understand they really should only be comparing soft-shell RTT with soft-shell and hard with hard as they are really two different categories.

I believe you have one of the best overall longterm reviews of life on the RTT purchase; you give us the good and the bad with little no no bias and that is helpful for someone looking to make a high-end purchase of a hardshell RTT.

If I had to do it again, hardshell and high quality one time purchase with great support plan would be the purchase for me.........most likely an Autohome or JB hardshell RTT and never look back.
 

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