Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt... The 6.4 you have may win off the line in a 1/4 mile drag race, but if you think the 429 lb ft of torque is going to “eat a Cummins (with 900 ft lbs) for lunch” in any other real word situation, you are SERIOUSLY delusional!We own a 2016 Ram 3500 CC with the 6.4, Aisin, and 4.44 gears. She’ll eat any Cummins powered rig for lunch.
Doubtful and you won't pass a filling station with that load.We own a 2016 Ram 3500 CC with the 6.4, Aisin, and 4.44 gears. Have an Eby flatbed with a gooseneck for pulling our 5th wheel RV, our expedition rig. She’ll eat any Cummins powered rig for lunch.
Thanks for your questions, @kerouac. Truck campers are inherently "tippy" compared to most any other loads. There is a lot of weight high up. How your truck handles the weight will determine how you feel about it. Even with a 3500 chassis, air bags, and Stable Loads, my truck will still rock back and forth on uneven roads, but it is perfectly stable and you get used to it. I drive on plenty of forest tracks with no difficulty at all, but I have not done anything that seemed particularly off camber. There is a lot of weight back there, so just slow down and be aware of what you are doing, whether on the highway or off road.Hello NuclearFreeZone,
Question for you....how do you find off-road driving in your rig? How do you feel on off-camber trails? Does the unit feel "tippy" at all? Do you ever have any center of gravity concerns or nervousness? Did you consider a pop up style camper, like a four wheel camper, before going with the Lance? The Lance 650 checks a lot of boxes for us and your thread here only makes it more attractive to us. We do not plan on any "rock crawling" but do want to get off the beaten path. What are your thoughts?
I also put lengths of wood between wheel wells and the camper. One 2x4 and a 1” piece on the other side. I have a Dee Zee rubber bed mat under my camper, and always have done. It really helps minimize movement. The Dee Zee is only 3/8” thick, so it doesn’t compress much if any. I am a “product evaluator” for Torklift, and have their Stableloads and Fastguns on my 3500. I’ve not seen anywhere that says to not use a rubber mat. I use my airbags all the time too, and have set the Stableloads to not quite engage. They are there as a backup in case an airbag lets go, which has happened to me before.I put lengths of 1x4's between the camper and the wheel wells, which take up most of the space and minimize shifting. I have yet to use a rubber mat--I believe TorkLift does not recommend it but I plan to try it out.
Apparently the only differences beetween the 2500 and the 3500 are the rear suspension, the offering of the Aisin Tranny and the advertised GVW. Ram kept the 2500 at 10K GVW mostly for registration purposes. The Diffs, brakes, frame etc. on the SRW 2500/3500 srw are the same. Legalities aside you could stick some air bags under the 2500 and theoretically carry the same payload. To me there is really no physical risk but you could technically get an overload ticket.The Truck
Since the Lance 650 is designed for a ½ ton truck, I thought I would do better than that and I went with a 2016 RAM 2500 4x4, crew cab, Tradesman, 5.7 liter Hemi. I had the front end leveled for looks when not loaded. The 2500 is coil sprung in the rear, and sagged a good bit with the camper loaded in, so I added Airlift 5000 bags. The bags popped the rear end back up, and helped with the tippy/sway of a truck camper…
The truck handled everything fine-ish… After a few trips, I started thinking (maybe I should have done that before). I had never purchased a full sized truck before, so I just paid attention to the number on the side of the truck, when I should have looked at payload. The 2500 has a payload of about 2,200 pounds. And then I realized that Lance is fibbing a bit. Sure, at about 2,000 pounds wet, the camper is fairly light. But add people, gear, food, water for drinking, etc etc, I realized I was running at about 3,000 pounds. I don’t think even the F150’s have that capacity. Sure, you can stick the camper on a variety of trucks, but you can’t put people in it and use it without being over the load limit.
I was also finding that the 5.7 liter, while ok, got winded sometimes. I realized that the tool I had bought was not the right tool. I did not like being technically overloaded, and I wanted more power. So, I did the thing I should have done from the start, and went for the bigger gun.
I traded the 2016 2500 (with only 9500 miles on it!) in on a 2018 RAM 3500 4x4 crew cab Tradesman, 6.7 liter Cummins, Aisin transmission. I was able to reuse the TorkLift tie downs in the rear, but the fronts were different. I also had it leveled. Since I had experience with air bags, I added a set of Airlift 7500XL bags.
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My Cummins reaches full throttle, at half throttle. I love the silly tricks companies do to fool people.Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt... The 6.4 you have may win off the line in a 1/4 mile drag race, but if you think the 429 lb ft of torque is going to “eat a Cummins (with 900 ft lbs) for lunch” in any other real word situation, you are SERIOUSLY delusional!