I'm rather fond of the KISS principle...adrenaline503 said:
Why do you say that?
To add to crawler#976's list above, another positive for the 12GA- Ammunition (shot and slugs) is available everywhere, 20GA ammunition availability is much more limited. As a long-time shotgun owner, having owned both 12's and 20's, as well as using both of these tools regularly over many years, I'd really recommend going with a rugged tactical 12GA over a 20GA.crawler#976 said:Negatives:
There are very few loads for 00 buck available for a 20 Gauge.
20 Gauge payload is roughly 75% of a 12 Gauge.
Recoil on a 12 Gauge is roughly 40% higher.
Recoil is less on a 20 Gauge.
There are reduced recoil 12 Gauge Tactical loads available.
For dangerous animal protection (Moose, Bear) the 12 guage 3" 1-1/4 ounce slug is hard to beat at close range.
A friend of mine has this rifle- also- I have the P-32 pistol. I think you will be suprised at the quality of Kel-Tec , I know I was. HOWEVER- for a true "survival" gun- you might want to take a look at this- the Springfield M6. These are issued (or at least were issue at some point) to USAF Pilots. It's a .410 shotgun/.22 cal . All you really need. Besides. In a long term survival situation- .22 are a heck of a lot lighter and cheaper than .223 http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrake/m6.html This is what I plan on getting one of these days. The gentelman who wrote that article added some pretty cool mods as well.adrenaline503 said:So, I have never owned a gun, and until recently I haven't really had any interest. Anyway, I am looking for a rifle that I could use for hunting and for some light security in the backcountry. I also plan to pick up a tactical shotgun for home security, so that would be a secondary role.
I am quite taken by the kel-tec su-16b.
Does anyone have any experience with this model? I like that is light, collapses and uses a reasonable caliber round. I dont plan on hunting deer or anything that large; honestly, are you ever going to eat an entire deer before it goes bad? Anyway, any advice would be appreciated. Please don't turn this into "do you really need a gun in the back country" debate. Thanks.
I agreeGunnIt said:For home defense I do not think that you can do any better than this. Load with alternate slugs and 00-buckshot. I bought a gun like this (it was "parkerized" for water protection) to carry when I guided in Alaska, to protect myself and my customers from brown bears. Now I just throw rocks at the bears and keep the gun in my house in case I need it.
Mossberg "riot gun"
On what planet is that thing legal?? Looks like a felony to me. (Yes I want one!)lowenbrau said:I agree
I don't think you'll do any better than a 12 gauge for a 'do everything' gun. If you end up looking a grizzly in the eye, a .22 rim fire is going to pee itself and come running out the end of the barrel. A 12 gauge slug has twice the ft lbs of a "feeling lucky punk?" 44 magnum...
The truck/hiking gun that's getting all the attention up here lately is this one from Dlask arms. Its on my 'to buy' list before my govt puts it on the restricted list.