INEOS Grenadier

[plainjaneFJC]

They've made a deal with Bosch to have dealers, parts, service and warranty all over the world.

My take is they probably have one of the most global parts/service network after the 70 series LC and old Defender.

They're also doing really cool stuff like officially allowing you to do your own oil changes and maintenance while still maintaining the warranty.

Servicing Your Grenadier

We’re developing a network to service and repair your Grenadier 4X4 – in all four corners of the world. Learn more about servicing your Grenadier.

ineosgrenadier.com

-Dan

You mean I can do my own oil change and maintain the warranty?…

 

[billiebob]

The chevy 250 straight six was in everything from bread trucks and pickups to camaro's and chevelles.

The myth of "car engine vs truck engine" is nonsense.

And yet a Corvette that came with a 350 is worthless at auction with a pickup 350. You might be correct on the 250 CHEVY straight six..... but that was for a price point, not performance. On a budget a manufacturer will use whatever is in over supply in anything they want to move. In a heavy truck vs a sports car there is no myth, the engine internals are different even if the block castings start out the same.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

You mean I can do my own oil change and maintain the warranty?…

The best route for engine replacement under warranty is dealer records. The dealer can tell the warranty center "we changed the oil and air filters at this many miles and on this date" and it is all cut and dry.

The farther you get away from that the harder it is to prove anything. Come in with a box of parts store receipts and the dealer has no clue when exactly the oil was changed or at what miles or if it was all just returned a half hour later.

Most independent shops will will keep records and the dealer will generally accept them. If you are going to have an independent shop change oil on something with a warranty confirm they keep records and are using the correct oil/filters OR better yet provide your own and make sure they note it on the ticket.

I always change my own oil. Heck I built my truck myself. Dealer is changing the oil in the Bronco until it is out of warranty tho.

And yet a Corvette that came with a 350 is worthless at auction with a pickup 350. You might be correct on the 250 CHEVY straight six..... but that was for a price point, not performance. On a budget a manufacturer will use whatever is in over supply in anything they want to move. In a heavy truck vs a sports car there is no myth, the engine internals are different even if the block castings start out the same.

Once you get past "numbers matching" thing there isn't really drastic differences between them mechanically. Cam, intake/carb and exhaust will change a lot on their own before you even think about playing with compression/heads.

Not like they are going to have super exotic stuff in a 1978 Corvette engine.

Basically just playing with intake/exhaust and cam/lifters got the Mustang 5.0 40hp over a F-150 5.0 (and 75hp over a Crown Vic 5.0 which unlike the truck also had a roller cam)... but the truck had a better intake that wouldn't fit under a car hood.

 

[Dan Grec]

You mean I can do my own oil change and maintain the warranty?…

Yes, they have VERY clearly said that is 100% correct.

-Dan

 

[nickw]

Comically one of the most desirable defenders has a BMW 6 cylinder

https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/09/01/lets-all-remember-the-bmw-powered-land-rover-defender/

and the Rover v8 was used in, uh... Everything.

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The Rover V8 is one of the most legendary engines in the automotive industry and has been used in several cars over the years.

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The chevy 250 straight six was in everything from bread trucks and pickups to camaro's and chevelles.

The myth of "car engine vs truck engine" is nonsense.

It's not a myth - there are car and truck engines, specifically designed as such....like some of the obscure 'big block's' like the Chevy 366, long stroke, heavy 4 ring pistons, etc.

Car engines are designed to a very aggressive price point and for fuel savings these days....those ones you list are basically overbuilt truck engines put into cars, which does not happen in today's world for a number of reasons.

The Dodge Ram 6.4 truck engine is different than the 6.4 in the cars.

Ford 7.3 is not put into cars.

Chevy 6.0 is trucks is very different than cars.

Some of the Chevy 350 V8's used for industrial applications had some tweaks vs the ones you saw in passenger vehicles.

I'm sure the manuf. that use the same engines across platforms test them to the most extreme use case (say using in heavier truck for testing). I think the Toyota V6 3.5L probably falls into this category, it's used in minivans, sedans and also the Tacoma.....but I am sure it passed durability tests associated with the Tacomas life cycle.

The BMW B58as far as I know was only used in lightweight passenger cars....doesn't mean it couldn't work well in the IG, but it's original design intent was never an offroad SUV or industrial type durability in mind. The biggest issue I see is it was never designed with maintenance in mind like you'd find on most rigs, even modern ones like domestic HD pickups / Toyotas let alone old school Rovers / Landcruisers.

The notorious example are the Mercedes Gwagon & sedans....they used the same diesel 4/6 cylinders. They were industrial engines WAY overbuilt for cars which is why the cars last 500k miles and are easy to rebuild. That concept of over-building and ease of maintenance of vehicles doesn't exist outside of the HD Truck market and some select SUV's like the Landcruiser/Patrols these days....IG has potential, but not from a engine perspective (IMO)

 

[nickw]

Hemis like to eat cams, radiator support removes to allow beautiful access. Not super super common but not unheard of.

Had a newer Cummins get a timing cover gasket a couple weeks ago, cab pull.

Cab pulls seems extreme but doesn't seem like it's that bad in practice - particularly for a shop that is set up and whom have a good workflow around it.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Cab pulls seems extreme but doesn't seem like it's that bad in practice - particularly for a shop that is set up and whom have a good workflow around it.

They are kinda designed for it too.

 

[XJLI]

The 3.5 V6 in the Tacoma is a Camry motor but hundreds of thousands of people don’t seem to mind.

 

[zimm]

The 3.5 V6 in the Tacoma is a Camry motor but hundreds of thousands of people don’t seem to mind.

And an sr5 is 30g.

toyota also had 2 different 4.7 blocks. one for the sequoia plaform and one for the landcruiser. the trd supercharger was only supposed to be used on a landcruiser.

 

[zimm]

no it wasn't
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the c6 was designed for torque in trucks and tractors. if a ford engine bolted to a c6, it was intended originally for trucks. want a junkyard c6? dont be wandering around the ford granadas.

 

[nickw]

They are kinda designed for it too.

Exactly - this is what I think Ineos should address, maintenance....I'm sure they've thought through this? I'd hope the independent dealers are prepared to drop engines or pull sheet metal to work on the engines as needed, but I have my doubts.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Exactly - this is what I think Ineos should address, maintenance....I'm sure they've thought through this? I'd hope the independent dealers are prepared to drop engines or pull sheet metal to work on the engines as needed, but I have my doubts.

They had better, nobody else will want to touch it until they go mainstream... which is extremely unlikely.

I work at a CDJR dealer. We pass on offbreed stuff all the time if we feel it is too deep for us and will point you to the appropriate dealer.

 

[lucilius]

Decent short EXPO "detailed walk around" video but it skipped any discussion of range/fuel capacity. Using the "search" on this site I managed to find that the Grenadier has a 23-24 gallon gas tank (which would equate to 300-350mi loaded range on pavement?) and that the company may work with another mfr like LRA to offer an aux tank. IMO one of the top three reasons gas engine is undesirable for motorized camping is limited range and the industry's unwillingness/inability to offer larger gas tank standard or as an option is unfortunate. Hopefully Ineos will do this. Does anyone know of a North American company that manufactures well-made aux tanks for gas vehicles? I've found a couple custom outfits but tough to find any reviews on performance, quality, etc.

 

[ersatzknarf]

That's a very good point about tank capacity and range. Has anyone seen any kind of pricing, yet, by chance? Kind of liking the idea of a LS engine swap or even a R2.8 Cummins, but i digress; wondering if there will be these coming off lease in a few years for hopefully something more reasonable.

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

Decent short EXPO "detailed walk around" video but it skipped any discussion of range/fuel capacity. Using the "search" on this site I managed to find that the Grenadier has a 23-24 gallon gas tank (which would equate to 300-350mi loaded range on pavement?) and that the company may work with another mfr like LRA to offer an aux tank. IMO one of the top three reasons gas engine is undesirable for motorized camping is limited range and the industry's unwillingness/inability to offer larger gas tank standard or as an option is unfortunate. Hopefully Ineos will do this. Does anyone know of a North American company that manufactures well-made aux tanks for gas vehicles? I've found a couple custom outfits but tough to find any reviews on performance, quality, etc.

Long Range America (that might be who you meant by LRA) and Titan Tanks are both US-based large tank manufacturers.

For me it's a bit of a coin flip in North America for Jerry Cans vs larger tanks in my opinion. A larger tank is a constant weight that is always with you, on a continent where even in the most remote areas you are rarely more than 300 kms from a gas station. So, the extra range is something that is rarely needed, and the Grenadier has enough payload (and roof capacity) to toss a couple of jerry cans up there for the rare time when more fuel is required. That might be a more desirable option for a lot of people over a permanently mounted alternative tank.

That's a very good point about tank capacity and range. Has anyone seen any kind of pricing, yet, by chance? Kind of liking the idea of a LS engine swap or even a R2.8 Cummins, but i digress; wondering if there will be these coming off lease in a few years for hopefully something more reasonable.

No prices for NA yet, but they do have them for other regions (Europe and Australia). But, Gregg Clark was on video a few months back (or perhaps quoted in an article, I don't recall) where he said "you'd be hard pressed to get over $100k" when ordering a Grenadier. But who knows how much lower than that it will be. I have sticker shock every time I think about the price of this thing so I try to compare it to what other rigs are closest on the market. On specs, the only one that comes close is the New Defender which is at a higher price point once you start building it out. On general use, the Jeeps are the next closes on the North American market, and for payload the Gladiator is the best option (but that will cost you ~$80k here). So, if the Grenadier in basic form can come in at around 70-90k, I think it will be competitive with the rest of the market....but still twice as much as I'd like it to cost!