It's 100% likely unless you wanna push services intervals or expect to get rid of it sooner rather than later - I haven't seen any official documentation, but most timing chains are ~90-100k miles so on par with the Vanos if that data is correct, which is a full engine drop in a shop + $XXXX, never mind any mech issues in the field.
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I'm VERY interested to see the technical manuals, BMW builds motors for multiple international markets often with quite varying specs. It's very possible that ineos could have requested a more robust international variant for this vehicle, but I will believe it when I see it. If not VANOS can be locked out and turned off within the ECU though emissions compliance could be tricky in some jurisdictions.
Historically timing chains on the BMW V8s need service more frequently than the smaller BMW motors mainly due to failures of the chain guides. I've currently got 2 of the inline 6's that are over 200k miles without having to touch the chains on them VANOS locked out on one, rebuilt on the second at 150k miles. Oil service on all BMW motors is key to long engine life in my experience.
Historically timing chains on the BMW V8s need service more frequently than the smaller BMW motors mainly due to failures of the chain guides. I've currently got 2 of the inline 6's that are over 200k miles without having to touch the chains on them VANOS locked out on one, rebuilt on the second at 150k miles. Oil service on all BMW motors is key to long engine life in my experience.
Highlander
The Strong, Silent Type
The unfortunate situation with the service in US (and many other developed countries).
The older generation that had at least some work ethic acquired during the glory days of the American manufacturing industry is already retiring or some even have already left the workforce.
The idea that customer is always right, however ruthless it sounds, it’s pretty much out from the culture. Now they feel they are doing your favor.
I once went to a local Firestone… boy it was a sh1thole, run by illiterate baboons.
On top of this extremely complex and overtly complicated modern technology. John Deer is being sued by framers because they can’t fix anything in the new tractors.
Comically one of the most desirable defenders has a BMW 6 cylinder
and the Rover v8 was used in, uh... Everything.
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The chevy 250 straight six was in everything from bread trucks and pickups to camaro's and chevelles.
The myth of "car engine vs truck engine" is nonsense.
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toddz69
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In most, but not all instances, I'd agree with that. I would put forth the Ford 240/300 sixes were always designed as, and run as truck engines - they never made it into cars. The same could be said of the light duty diesel engines (Ford 6.9/7.3, GM 6.2/6.5 and Dodge 5.9 Cummins).
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zimm
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Comically one of the most desirable defenders has a BMW 6 cylinder
and the Rover v8 was used in, uh... Everything.
The Coolest Cars Powered By The Legendary Rover V8
The Rover V8 is one of the most legendary engines in the automotive industry and has been used in several cars over the years.
The chevy 250 straight six was in everything from bread trucks and pickups to camaro's and chevelles.
The myth of "car engine vs truck engine" is nonsense.
Telling me something is more desirable than a rover v8, isn't the same as telling me something is good.
if were gonna go all classic, keep in mind, the recipie for american pony cars was to take out the typical passenger car drivetrains, and replaced them with the high torque truck v8's, transmissions, and rear ends.
billiebob
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no it wasn't
85_Ranger4x4
Well-known member
Bide your time, a LS swap kit will be coming out shortly I am sure lol.
Grassland
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Yep, 4.8l GM V8 with a 4l60e and call er good. Haha.
As far as engine pull to do timing chain, plenty of Ford's get cab lifts or engine drops for major repairs on the 3.5 EB. I don't know what the Rams or GMs are like for major engine break downs. Weren't Hemis dropping valves?
Can't get the amazing HP and Torque in a broad power band without huge displacement or VVT systems anyways.
As far as engine pull to do timing chain, plenty of Ford's get cab lifts or engine drops for major repairs on the 3.5 EB. I don't know what the Rams or GMs are like for major engine break downs. Weren't Hemis dropping valves?
Can't get the amazing HP and Torque in a broad power band without huge displacement or VVT systems anyways.
85_Ranger4x4
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Hemis like to eat cams, radiator support removes to allow beautiful access. Not super super common but not unheard of.
Had a newer Cummins get a timing cover gasket a couple weeks ago, cab pull.
plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
You mean I can do my own oil change and maintain the warranty?…They've made a deal with Bosch to have dealers, parts, service and warranty all over the world.
My take is they probably have one of the most global parts/service network after the 70 series LC and old Defender.
They're also doing really cool stuff like officially allowing you to do your own oil changes and maintenance while still maintaining the warranty.
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billiebob
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And yet a Corvette that came with a 350 is worthless at auction with a pickup 350. You might be correct on the 250 CHEVY straight six..... but that was for a price point, not performance. On a budget a manufacturer will use whatever is in over supply in anything they want to move. In a heavy truck vs a sports car there is no myth, the engine internals are different even if the block castings start out the same.
85_Ranger4x4
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The best route for engine replacement under warranty is dealer records. The dealer can tell the warranty center "we changed the oil and air filters at this many miles and on this date" and it is all cut and dry.
The farther you get away from that the harder it is to prove anything. Come in with a box of parts store receipts and the dealer has no clue when exactly the oil was changed or at what miles or if it was all just returned a half hour later.
Most independent shops will will keep records and the dealer will generally accept them. If you are going to have an independent shop change oil on something with a warranty confirm they keep records and are using the correct oil/filters OR better yet provide your own and make sure they note it on the ticket.
I always change my own oil. Heck I built my truck myself. Dealer is changing the oil in the Bronco until it is out of warranty tho.
Once you get past "numbers matching" thing there isn't really drastic differences between them mechanically. Cam, intake/carb and exhaust will change a lot on their own before you even think about playing with compression/heads.
Not like they are going to have super exotic stuff in a 1978 Corvette engine.
Basically just playing with intake/exhaust and cam/lifters got the Mustang 5.0 40hp over a F-150 5.0 (and 75hp over a Crown Vic 5.0 which unlike the truck also had a roller cam)... but the truck had a better intake that wouldn't fit under a car hood.
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