None of this matters
I liked the waffle layer which didn't look too bad in brown. The Michelin man puffy jacket was great and I was the only one in my unit that got one for some reason. Lots of cold jealous stares.I have been buying some military surplus stuff recently. Mostly the ECWCS. The base layers are great and really inexpensive. The level 5 pant and jacket are super comfortable and lightweight. Only downside is everything is camo but it works well. All American made and very functional. I'm also a big fan of the Eddie Bauer First Accent.