Thanks for the Heads UP, My brother just gave me a 7" Tablet which I have as a dedicated SATNAV, I have another one but the App people filled my tablet up with programs that make it run slower, I only have 3 Apps that I put on it and all the others were hidden within other Apps So Now it is all but useless, So with this new one I never connect it to the internet so they can't sneak in updates with more hidden Apps, They did the same with my phone and now it tells me I am running out of space Again I only 3 Apps on it and when I got it I think it had about 14 on it, NOW It's got flaming 37 of them on there and I don't know which ones I can delete,Checked it out at the Expo East booth. NOT impressed. Way overpriced for the functionality, especially with not having it's own dedicated receiver. Having to pair it with another compatible device was a no-go for me. My daughter has a dedicated GPS receiver in her cheap GIZMO watch. No reason one couldn't be built into the tablet. Garmin missed the mark. If they build the In-Reach Mini functionality into one and drop the price $250 I might consider purchasing one. I seriously doubt that is happening. The hook has already been set in the gadget hungry crowds' mouths.
Real shame they retreated back into mostly the marine market. They had a crop of handhelds that turned out crap and I think once that happened Garmin was able to grab away most of their sales, I'd guess it hurt them bad and made that outdoor / vehicle use segment not worth pursuing. They also toyed with turn-by-turn on a few units, and my understanding is it didn't go super great. Their mapping was detailed, but transferring and managing map data for your unit was cumbersome and restrictive, I think that annoyed customers as well.I love the lowrances I had > I had the baja in color and 9 inch built into the center console of my chevy truck custom mount. Their stuff is so much better than Garmin.
For many years, I've wondered if the output of Garmin was about cynical product designs made more for their profit than for the utility offered to consumers, or if they were just a bunch of uncoordinated ********** that never quite got most products right for backcountry use. Could be both, I suppose. Maybe it's already underway, but it seems this segment of the company is overdue for some housekeeping if they don't want to be further marginalized by smartphone apps.I've purchased several Garmin devices and am very pleased with several of their products. I love my Instinct watch and inReach. They threw something at the wall with the Overlander, I don't think it's going to stick, or I don't see anything about it to make it special that one could not easily replace with cheaper options.
Excellent place to start. Offer the ability to overlay other maps from Gaia, Alltrails, etc. on the Pro version, but give us what you described so there's always a solid base map on hand.As I recall the Baja and the larger chartplotter came with reasonably detailed pre loaded topo with trails. What garmin or Magellan or anyone else needs to is actually fairly simple. Take the whole USA and download all the usgs 7.5 topo maps for the entire country into the memory . Enable a detailed zoom and gps tracking and the ability to map out a trail instal, that on a 9-10 inch ruggedized tablet . Sell the thing for under 500. They would corner the market if it were decent. Forget the fancy 3 d crap they try, forget air photos Everyone should be able to read and navigate on a topo map.
That's the key I've found is to create tracks and not routes that you import to a Garmin device. I personally don't have a problem with their hardware but I'm only using the simple receivers, eTrex 20x and GPSMap 78. They are supposed to handle importing routes but even if you use the same map, same revision on the device and in Basecamp it still seems to ****** things up.Garmin should give up on hardware like this. Pick one Apple and one Android tablet, and develop for those specific models. Pick a new file format, and develop software that allows users to fully migrate old tracks into the new format, with a new desktop app for managing everything. Right now, it's an expensive, confusing mess.
From the outside, it appears that Garmin has had competing groups developing hardware & software, with little coordination. What you described about routes & tracks, and using Basecamp illustrates the problem. If they want to remain relevant in the consumer market, they need to clean up all of that so they can compete with Gaia, Alltrails, etc. Those companies aren't standing still, and they don't have all the baggage of Garmin. For as much as they charge for products like the Overlander, they have to do better.That's the key I've found is to create tracks and not routes that you import to a Garmin device. I personally don't have a problem with their hardware but I'm only using the simple receivers, eTrex 20x and GPSMap 78. They are supposed to handle importing routes but even if you use the same map, same revision on the device and in Basecamp it still seems to ****** things up.
So in that sense Garmin is becoming irrelevant. The GPX file format is ubiquitous and works fine for tracks and waypoints across just about any navigation, GIS, software or hardware.
What you lose importing and following them is turn-by-turn on a Garmin. To get around that I create waypoints along the track periodically that I also import and use waypoint proximity alarms to know I'm nearing an important junction. If you deviate from the track then you're on your own to use the internal routing engine on the device to get back to a waypoint.
As you said, it depends on the use. I just started using a tablet with Gaia in my truck, and it's a fantastic upgrade for solo navigation on unfamiliar terrain compared to paper maps or smaller screened devices. On the road, I prefer a Garmin road GPS to my phone, but Google Maps has narrowed the gap considerably.I don't really care for using a phone for navigation personally.
Mostly it's the touch screen and poor interfaces but battery life, too. I've got to admit I'm pretty happy with the eTrex for what I do with it. It certainly seems I'm in the minority but I just don't see the advantage of a phone + battery pack or solar + clunky handlebar mount + weatherproof case over a fairly cheap and rugged GPS receiver.
In the truck a phone would be OK to replace the bigger GPSMap I guess but I'm in no hurry to jump into the modern era. The only reason I really even got it was to do APRSdroid.
For planning and to gain an overview, I still prefer a hardcopy map or atlas. I was referring to using a tablet for navigating while underway. I decided to try a tablet after another trip full of questionable navigation provided by my co-pilot, and it has made for more harmonious traveling. No more multi-hour detours because of ... well, I'm not sure why, but I know I don't enjoy asking questions repeatedly about where we're heading until I finally pull over to look for myself. Orienteering isn't for everyone.Those are the very reasons I hate phones. Now I don't have space for a decent sized tablet, which changes things. But a phone or small tablet is too small to substitute for a map or atlas and really isn't supposed to. GPS tells you precisely where you are but is supposed to complement a map for context. Even a big tablet just isn't going to be as easy *for me* as folding out a Trails Illustrated or Gazetteer and laying a ruler out and marking it with a pencil.
I'm not about to unwrap my head and leave maps and compass at home so the pull to duplicate them isn't strong. The GPS in my outfit is as much about recording my track for use later as anything and for that a Garmin device is perfect. It's always recording your track and with it set to roll a new track daily it's one less thing I have to deal with.