Please check the thread again at who started it, the Tonka toy reference came when direct, derogatory comparisons were made by Toyota guys at the G and Gurkha quoting my post. If I praise the G Wagen like a Zealot, its because this thread is dedicated to the G Wagen and not Toyota Land Cruiser. Sausages, Cabbages, small men with funny mustache, are those stereotypes about Germans? I guess another Toyota boy got hurt, go fix idler arm or weld that cracked chassis. Now you attack German race directly pulling this thread down to a level lower than any, no one attacked Japanese race here including myself.As an outsider reading this thread it makes me sad to see what it has developed in to. An innocent question "Would you all who have G-wagons rate the reliabilty better than a Land Cruiser?"(#12) has turned this in to something ugly.
Gurkha, YOU are the main flamer, you started this, and continued it again and again, and you have done this in other threads too! It is you who call Toyotas Tonka toys and Toyota drivers Tonka Boyz thereby taking every reasonable discussion down in the gutter. I have not seen others make any references to sausages, ill prepared cabage or small men with funny mustages at the expence of either the G or you.
It is you who acts like a religious celot in your praising of the G-wagen at the expence of others. It is never pretty to see somebody trying to climb a bit higher by treading on others!
And now you try to act like you did not have a part in it. As for excluding others, well beware, it might be you who are banned, as I recall it has happened before right?
Amen! Back to the original question. This is going to sound so weird but I've only owned G Wagens my entire life. Provided I've been driving for four years now hehe. My first was an 81 300GD SWB, super super reliable and so much fun. I consistently got 20-24 mpg and it NEVER broke down on me. My next was an 84 280GE (6 cylinder gas engine - piece of ****). The motor overheated and blew a headgasket. So we canned that motor and did a proper turbo diesel swap and I've been returning awesome gas mileage 25+ mpg. This engine is freakishly efficient and powerful.*Soapbox/On*
OK, one more time. This thread needs to get back on track! I have never wheeled a G and I have never wheeled an LC. I like them both. I think they are both just as capable. And for my needs, a 3rd gen Montero with unibody and IRS works beautifully. Anyone want to flame about that in this thread too? This is rediculous. What has this board turned into? The level of disrespect brought on to G-force's thread in inconceiveable. The original question was posed to G-Force (who has owned many G's) was if he felt the reliability on the G's was good (a very valid and good question). And then it went straight down hill form there. Please, lets get this back on track. I don't care who "thinks" their truck is better. I love them all and want to look at and learn about them all. I want to see them built up and watch the build up process (despite the brand, I learn a lot and get some great ideas from different buil up's). This is turning into some of the LR threads. It is getting rediculous. If you like your brand and are blind to the attributes of all others then you should not post anything. The reason behind ExPo is that we are all interested in vehicle dependant travel, type of vehicle being a non-factor. We need to get back to that level. Please.
Also, Ronin, you are right, the driver is about 90% of any vehicles capabilities.
G-force, please tell us more and lets get this thread back on track.
Mods, can we please help by editing this thread to bring it back to where it should be?
Very good point on the price factor, that has deterred even those who have yearned for this vehicle and are capable of showing of its prowess off road. Many fear to take a US$80,000+ vehicle in trails for the exact same reason. I am not innocent, I do more off roading with my Gurkha than with my G300 for the very same reason.The only comment that seems to bother me is when people talk about how LC are widely used by Nato and throughout Africa, rather than a compliment to the strength of the LCs I think it is more of a price point issue that makes them the choice. If G's were the same price as LCs we would see alot more in service. The Toyota seems like good value for your money. The HZJ77 being one of my favorites, but to say LC's wheel cricles around G's or G's outwheel LCs is laughable. Don't forget the driver is the most important equation here when we are splitting hairs about which vehicle is the end all be all.:smiley_drive: