Four Wheel Camper ‘Project M’

Thanks for the reply. Your set up looks good. Plenty of room in that 8 ft bed!

I'm looking at a very basic set up, much like you. I want to go with the passenger small window as well and probably a roof vent or two.
Two areas I am unsure on are the thermal pack and the mattress. I see you went with the thermal pack. Is it what you expected? I know it's summer so you probably haven't really needed it yet. Also the mattress option at $850 seems ridiculous. I'm pretty sure I can put something together at a fraction of that price. What are you using?
Also, was there an "installation fee" when you took delivery? The build out pricing page shows $595 for installation. But it just clamps on to your bed rails essentially?
Maybe the stripped shell version might be more suitable to your needs with a thermal pack, heater and solar installed. The "M" seems very expensive. I have a Hawk regular version. Starting shell prices are $12,995 .
 

thesuzukimethod

New member
I'm looking at a very basic set up, much like you. I want to go with the passenger small window as well and probably a roof vent or two.
Two areas I am unsure on are the thermal pack and the mattress. I see you went with the thermal pack. Is it what you expected? I know it's summer so you probably haven't really needed it yet. Also the mattress option at $850 seems ridiculous. I'm pretty sure I can put something together at a fraction of that price. What are you using?
Also, was there an "installation fee" when you took delivery? The build out pricing page shows $595 for installation. But it just clamps on to your bed rails essentially?
We just put a (15%) deposit on a project M - got lots of great help from our regional dealer, although there are some hidden (but understandable) costs, including:
$800 destination fee
$595 installation.
a couple hundred bucks for the installation kit (seals, etc.).
also tax. it adds up!

I'm happy to have an expert install the first time around, and we plan to leave it on the truck nearly full time, but it does add up a bit. I could see some of these being a little negotiable if they werent in such high demand and they already had campers in stock at the dealer but the time estimate already went up a couple weeks from when I checked in late July (now at 34 weeks).

we went with wired for power (I'll add solar +batteries myself), powered roof fan, and a large passenger slider window. All stuff that would be hard/impossible to change later. No bed, the FWC bed didn't look great and we're coming off an 83 VW Westy (with a 97 jetta engine...anyone looking, haha) and the built in bed wasn't what we needed/wanted. We're going to start with our camp pads or something to get a feel for the size and space, and then probably go for a pair of twin size memory foam mattresses (for a bit more than 1/2 the cost of the FWC mattresses).

I was really interested in the OVRLND pop-tops too. Pricewise they were in the same ballpark given the options, but a bit more of a custom fit. The guy that runs the company seems really cool... The estimate was 12 months though.
 
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Got word from my dealer last week that my camper will be ready for instal in SLC the week of March 15...quite a longer wait than the 27 weeks I was told when ordering on July 1. I was told it is due to Covid delays, anybody else gotten an updated wait time? I was also told that large passenger window is actually not an option for 5' bed Tacoma, ended up going with a small passenger window to get good airflow for the dog.
 

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LStU

New member
Ordered on June 24th and have an estimated ship date of Jan. 20th (30 weeks). I'm on the east coast so expected install is the next week (week 31). 5' mid-size, w/ passenger window, thermal pack, pre-wired, yakima tracks, two powered roof fans, and 80/20s on both sides.

I'm putting it on a 2019 Nissan Frontier Crew 4x4. Frontiers beds are a little smaller than Tacoma's so it'll likely hang over the sides a little more. I plan to add my own bedding, water and gas rotopaxs, road shower 4 (7 gal), and just use a insulated cooler at first. Longer-term additions will be solar, arb/dometic fridge/freezer, 270 awning, board racks, and mclean hitch hammock with yakima backswing hitch adapter.

I plan to follow the truck tailgate sealing advice from this thread: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/fwc-project-m-project.650163/
 
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LStU

New member
I believe they told me 27 weeks plus shipping to the East coast. But they said build times were changing and they'd confirm after the order was placed. I guess we'll technically be getting a 2021 model for the 2020 price? I've seen 4wc products promoted this way.
 

JMyerz

Adventurer
I'd have to agree. The Project M, while I enjoy the layout, seems like a rushed concept that was put out just to capture market share. I looked at them all and was the least impressed with the finish quality of the Project M vs Pricepoint. I'm not saying it isn't well built (It is), it is just is a little rough around the edges inside, the rear door leaves a lot to be desired, the side doors don't have gas struts, its HEAVY and at the base price doesn't even include the mattress.

In the end I went with the Super Pacific Camper but AT or Vagabond would be my second choice.

After seeing them both in person next to each other, the AT Overland Atlas seems far superior to the Project M to me.
 

beef tits

Active member
Can you elaborate on this? Thanks.
AT Overland’s products are welded sheet aluminum. Very solid looking. The Project M is just the top half of a FWC, so typical RV siding on frame with visible screws and sealant gooping out.

as stated above, the door is a crap design.

Not that the Project M isn’t actually solid, it just looks cheap and like it was thrown together next to the AT lineup.

I would, hands down, buy at AT over the Project M.
 

Nvbrian

Member
Appricate the insights. My only beef (besides being $$$) with AT's design is the fact that it has sloped sides. This definitely makes for a more aesthethic look but really limits the space for using the camper.

I'm really surprised no one who owns an AT atlas or an M has posted a rig walk around video on YouTube. All I can find is the generic M rig walk around from a pre production model.
 

thesuzukimethod

New member
Appricate the insights. My only beef (besides being $$$) with AT's design is the fact that it has sloped sides. This definitely makes for a more aesthethic look but really limits the space for using the camper.

I'm really surprised no one who owns an AT atlas or an M has posted a rig walk around video on YouTube. All I can find is the generic M rig walk around from a pre production model.
I'll post one when we get ours sometime in 2021, lol.

We went through the same thing with AT vs. FWC/M. I showed my partner the pictures, and we reflected on that year we lived out of an 83 vanagon westy camper (make an offer, haha), and while I really felt AT had the design dialed in, the boxy/roomy-ness of the M won us over. Our FWC rep down here is AT, and they even agreed the M was a better fit for us based on what we had said. AT Overland has been just great to work with btw...plug plug.
 

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beef tits

Active member
I prefer the sloped sides and smaller profile of the AT setups. It should have more clearance and slightly better MPG to boot.

FWC is bigger than it needs to be IMO, but I have an 8’ bed so anything seems cavernous.
 

thesuzukimethod

New member
Yeah, We looked at the Project M and the OVRLND camper, along with the ATs. Boxy vs. streamlined.

After a year living out of that 83 camper van with 2 people and 3 dogs, there were times we just needed a bit more room. We are probably over-compensating for something that is mostly a long weekender rig (same 2 people, different 3 dogs) + some occasional long term fieldwork travel.
 
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