CA Coastal Commission to revoke [ALL] OHV access to Pismo Dunes

Mike W.

Well-known member
They didn't kill the golden goose..Amazing for the great almost 3rd world state but as I stated early in the tread..It wasn't going to happen. It's not over by a long shot now the coastal commission will chip away. Unless the state makes a sharp right turn the beach access will slowly slip away..Enjoy and may the train to nowhere thrive..
 

chet6.7

Explorer
The Wuhan Virus house arrest may put some of the data used to shut the dunes down into question.



Coronavirus shutdown shows dust on the Nipomo Mesa science is flawed



By KAREN VELIE
Excessive dust days have more than doubled since RVs and off-road vehicles were barred from the Oceano Dunes, data from two Nipomo Mesa air quality monitoring sites show. California State Parks closed the Oceano Dunes State Vehicular Recreation Area to all off-road and recreational vehicles on March 28 because of the coronavirus pandemic.
The air quality data called into question the San Luis Obispo County Air Pollution Control District’s theory, disputed by California state scientists, that off-road riding activities cause high dust levels detected on the Nipomo Mesa. This theory generally ignores that Oceano Dunes lies within a larger complex of coastal sand dunes created by wind blowing sand from the shoreline.
For years, the APCD and Nipomo Mesa residents have clashed with state parks and off-road vehicle riders over the cause of dust in the air at the Nipomo Mesa. Both sides agree strong westerly winds blowing over the sand dunes transport dust to the mesa.
In 2018, California State Parks entered into a stipulated order of abatement with the APCD. The agreement mandates that the state reduce wind-blown dust, specifically dust particles that are 10 microns or less in diameter, on the Nipomo Mesa by 50 percent. Despite agreeing to the various terms in the agreement, state parks still denies that off-roading causes the dust on the mesa
The primary goal of the agreement is to ensure that concentrations of dust measured on the mesa stay within federal and state standards, as measured at two of the APCD’s air monitoring sites on the mesa, which are known as “CDF – Arroyo Grande” and “Nipomo-Guadalupe Road.”
Overall, the state has spent approximately $14 million in tax payer revenue in the last 10 years to reduce dust concentrations on the mesa. The state covered more than 150 acres of dune sand with vegetation or orange plastic fencing. Additional dune-covering projects are anticipated in the coming months and years, under the theory that the obstructions would help reduce dust produced by the blowing sand.
In January, State Parks Director Lisa Mangat shut down approximately half of the camping area and about 5 percent of the riding area at the Oceano Dunes, or approximately 50 acres near the shoreline. The area was popular with campers, and provided 50 percent of the park’s camping availability.
CalCoastNews examined archived data from wind and dust measurements collected from the two Nipomo Mesa air quality monitoring sites to determine if State Parks’ mandated efforts along with the closure of the park in March would lead to a reduction in dust concentrations.
Specifically, reporters examined the number of daily exceedances of state and federal air quality standards during the month of May for the past six years at the two monitoring sites. The CDF site is approximately 2.5 miles from the dune shoreline, on the southwest edge of Nipomo Mesa. The Nipomo-Guadalupe Road site is about four miles from the shore, on the lower edge of the mesa. Agricultural lands lie between the coastal dunes and the Nipomo Mesa.
The parameters were chosen because May is typically the windiest month in south San Luis Obispo County, and 2015 predates the various dune-covering operations undertaken by State Parks.
Wind data indicates that May’s average wind speed at the two monitoring sites has varied little from year to year. At the CDF site, the May winds average at about 5 miles per hour, and at the Nipomo-Guadalupe Road site, the winds are slightly stronger, averaging about 5.5 miles per hour.
The number of exceedances of California’s air quality standard for airborne dust tells a different story. At both of the air monitoring stations, a substantially greater number of May exceedances occurred this year compared to the other years, even though there have been no recreational vehicles on the dunes; and the month of May has not yet ended.
For example, at the CDF site in May 2019, there were six exceedances, but this year, as of May 22, the exceedances have doubled to 12. At the Nipomo-Guadalupe Road site in May 2019, there were only three exceedances, but as of May 22, exceedances have nearly quadrupled to 11.
As part of the agreement, a panel of scientific advisors, known as the Scientific Advisory Group (SAG), was formed to assist in the design and implementation of the various dune-covering projects. The SAG is led by William Nickling, an emeritus professor at the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada.
In apparent anticipation that continued high-dust days with no vehicle recreation in the dunes would cause confusion, on April 6, Dr. Nickling and other SAG members authored a memorandum regarding the vehicle closure at Oceano Dunes and possible changes in dune dust emissions.
“It is the opinion of the SAG that the accumulated impact of OHV [off highway vehicle] activity remains a significant contributor to observed PM [dust] emissions at ODSVRA, even during this period in which the ODSVRA is temporarily closed to recreational uses,” according to the memorandum. “The SAG acknowledges that the Oceano Dunes are a naturally dusty surface that would experience PM emissions even in the absence of human activity, especially during this spring windy season. But the SAG is also clearly aware that decades of OHV activity have fundamentally altered the natural beach-dune landscape, making the dunes significantly more susceptible to PM emissions than they would be in a natural state.”
However, the SAG memorandum fails to explain how the dunes have been “fundamentally altered” to emit more dust, and also why the SAG did not anticipate the number of state exceedances for dust to substantially increase in the absence of vehicle recreation on the dunes.
One theory is that the recreational vehicles that used to park on the dunes, helped obstruct the wind flow.
 

Mike W.

Well-known member
Amazing.. Hopefully the beach will open soon and the much dreaded beach blaster's can hurry back and clean up that nasty air..See a few good things will come from the shut down..
 

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FrenchieXJ

Expedition Leader
Buy a piece of property in the middle of sand dunes or down wind from it then complain about it? None of this is new! None of this will change! This has very little to do with the sand/dust. Be nice and close down the dunes. They will still blame the used for the dust 10, 15 and 20 years later. The locals will not spend their money to get large vacuum cleaners, vacuum up the sand dunes and dust. All very reasonable, Right!

OR

Get people with at least a ounce of brains, and point out the obvious to the people who bought there. It is like the people who buy a house at the end of a runway at a airport that has been their for 60 years. Then want the airport shut down because they do not like the noise. This seams to make sense, Right!

I was born in California and lived there for 63 years (minus vacation time in Viet Nam), again none of this is new. If you live there (Calif.) please stay their! I have a long history with land issues in my years living there. The years since I have left California have been much better!

If you want to save the much smaller play ground you have today. Spend a lot of money, go to meetings, do all of the work to fight to keep it open for you and all of your friends. You may get some additional time to spend with your sand before it closes.

Do not let science get in the opinions.

Before you get upset much of this is just Satire.
 

Mike W.

Well-known member
Buy a piece of property in the middle of sand dunes or down wind from it then complain about it? None of this is new! None of this will change! This has very little to do with the sand/dust. Be nice and close down the dunes. They will still blame the used for the dust 10, 15 and 20 years later. The locals will not spend their money to get large vacuum cleaners, vacuum up the sand dunes and dust. All very reasonable, Right!

OR

Get people with at least a ounce of brains, and point out the obvious to the people who bought there. It is like the people who buy a house at the end of a runway at a airport that has been their for 60 years. Then want the airport shut down because they do not like the noise. This seams to make sense, Right!

I was born in California and lived there for 63 years (minus vacation time in Viet Nam), again none of this is new. If you live there (Calif.) please stay their! I have a long history with land issues in my years living there. The years since I have left California have been much better!

If you want to save the much smaller play ground you have today. Spend a lot of money, go to meetings, do all of the work to fight to keep it open for you and all of your friends. You may get some additional time to spend with your sand before it closes.

Do not let science get in the opinions.

Before you get upset much of this is just Satire.
Lots of California truth in your satire.
 

Wrathchild

Active member
Born and raised CA as well. Been away for 18 yrs or so. Unfortunately was sent back here the for the last two years. And thankfully on my way out next month. As amazing as the landscape is, unfortunately the general populous (ie: large urban areas) turn the whole place to $hit.
 

Superduty

Adventurer
Hopefully, some of you are still following this thread. I am pasting in some info re Oceano. Thank you Jared for this info. This is critical. Need to act today.


OCEANO DUNES CRITICAL ALERT!

We need your help! After watching this video, please take a few minutes to do the following listed items. It is absolutely up to each and every one of us now if we are going to save Oceano Dunes. We can win this fight, but we need your voices and need you to fight! If anyone has questions, please send me an email me at jared.macleod@corva.org
Thank you!




Watch this video


1. FRIENDS OF OCEANO DUNES PAGE
https://www.facebook.com/FriendsofOceanoDunes/

2. REGISTER TO SPEAK AT THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION MEETING ON THURSDAY JULY 9:
https://www.coastal.ca.gov/meetings/agenda/#/2020/7

3. MAKE THESE PHONE CALLS TODAY!:

Governor Gavin Newsom
(916) 445-2841

Jack Ainsworth CCC Executive Director (415)-904-5202

Lisa Mangat, Director, California State Parks,
916-653-8380

Wade Crowfoot, Secretary of Resources
916-653-5656

Jordan Cunningham, Assembly Member
805-549-3381

Vincent Fong, Bakersfield
661-395-2295

Kevin McCarthy, House of Representatives 661-327-3611

Devin Nunes, Congressman
(559) 733-3861

4. READ THE CAL COAST NEWS ARTICLE. THEN SEND AN EMAIL TO ALL OF THE EMAIL LIST BELOW. TELL THEM HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE CORRUPTION AT THE APCD & CCC, AND HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE CEASE AND DESIST ISSUE TO STATE PARKS BY THE CCC CALLING FOR THE CLOSURE OF OCEANO DUNES SVRA. Be sure to ask for their response to the Cal Coast News article, and include the link in your email:

secretary@resources.ca.gov
Lisa.mangat@parks.ca.gov
Liz.mcguirk@parks.ca.gov
John.Ainsworth@coastal.ca.gov
Bod@oceanodunes.org
Jared.macleod@corva.org
Tara.Lynch@parks.ca.gov
Kathryn.Tobias@parks.ca.gov
info@slocleanair.org
gwilley@co.slo.ca.us
secretary@resources.ca.gov
dan.canfield@parks.ca.gov
mshah@groverbeach.org
jpeschong@co.slo.ca.us
bgibson@co.slo.ca.us
ahill@co.slo.ca.us
lcompton@co.slo.ca.us
darnold@co.slo.ca.us
rfonzi@atascadero.org
jhamon@prcity.com
crayrussom@arroyogrande.org
jpaulding@arroyogrande.org
kstorton@arroyogrande.org
lgeorge@arroyogrande.org
apease@slocity.org
ewaage@pismobeach.org
jheadding@morrobayca.gov
OHVInfo_OHV@parks.ca.gov
Kevin.Kahn@coastal.ca.gov
Donne.Brownsey@coastal.ca.gov
Stephen.Padilla@coastal.ca.gov
Effie.Turnbull-Sanders@coastal.ca.gov
Sara.Aminzadeh@coastal.ca.gov
Caryl.Hart@coastal.ca.gov
mike.wilson@coastal.ca.gov
Katie.Rice@coastal.ca.gov
Linda.Escalante@coastal.ca.gov
Erik.Howell@coastal.ca.gov
Roberto.Uranga@coastal.ca.gov
Carole.Groom@coastal.ca.gov
Info@jordancunningham.org

THANK YOU EVERYONE!

PLEASE SHARE & SPREAD THE WORD!
 

chet6.7

Explorer
This is a link to the latest article.
 

Regcabguy

Expedition Leader
Born and raised CA as well. Been away for 18 yrs or so. Unfortunately was sent back here the for the last two years. And thankfully on my way out next month. As amazing as the landscape is, unfortunately the general populous (ie: large urban areas) turn the whole place to $hit.
Look at Seattle and Portland too. The left virus is everywhere. People looking to be offended and with their hands out looking for another freebie courtesy of the working middle class. Where's all the good moderate Democrats? Wetting their pants and saying "it's all for the common good". Wimps.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Physical access to the public land? Yes.

Access by any means? No. Access can be regulated by the government, just as it is in other public spaces. Just because it's public land doesn't mean anyone can do whatever they want on it, even if the 9th Circuit thinks that's the way it should be. I'm sure that seemed like a swell ruling, but I doubt they'd hold to it if they had people living on the easement in front of their homes.

The only hope I see of continued access for OHVs will be more structured use, and it'd be smart for OHV proponents to promote plans that reasonably address the concerns of the people against their use. Since air quality is one of the major issues, whatever is proposed should have independent monitoring to demonstrate the efficacy of the plan, with measures to take already in the plan to enact if the air quality fails to improve.

Limiting engine displacement, mandating muffler requirements, permits, and banning camping and/or fires, would all seem to address the complaints, but still allow OHV use. If the OHV community doesn't take an active role in making improvements, they'll have to live with whatever their opponents decide. It seems like the Closers are more numerous and better organized, so telling them to piss off will have predictable results.
Pismo has become completely stupid on a scale that makes this proposal expected. Hundreds of massive toy haulers dragged out on the dunes bro trucks ripping around 24/7 along with modified dune machines plus the beach party rave trend. Its bonkers. I’m actually surprised its been allowed for as long as it has.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Exactly, trash removal is another example. Hikers and equestrians are awful at trash removal. But MVs, make it easy to pack out what you packed in and more.
You never worked a pack station I guess? Its pretty shocking the stuff pack outfits haul out of the Sierras doing clean up.
 

Mike W.

Well-known member
Pismo has become completely stupid on a scale that makes this proposal expected. Hundreds of massive toy haulers dragged out on the dunes bro trucks ripping around 24/7 along with modified dune machines plus the beach party rave trend. Its bonkers. I’m actually surprised its been allowed for as long as it has.
Another example of those who don't share the same enjoyment deciding what's good for the poor working class. Californians have a server problem with snobbery. If you read the survey they based the original proposal on and the one done during the Pandemic you can clearly see the environmental impact was a false narrative. So now the developer's have decided let's just screw the public and forget the reason ...
 

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Heading Out

Adventurer
Born and raised CA as well. Been away for 18 yrs or so. Unfortunately was sent back here the for the last two years. And thankfully on my way out next month. As amazing as the landscape is, unfortunately the general populous (ie: large urban areas) turn the whole place to $hit.
I agree with this,

Also born and raised in So Cal , California isn't the problem it's the people that live there.
We tapped out last year. just had enough.... life is better on the outside.

Pismo has been chipped away at for years, when I first began visiting the dunes we could enter at Oso Flaco Lake.
As has been said about people that buy a home near a (insert location here)
and then complain about something that has been there for years, decades, centuries...
The plover is an excuse that is used on so many CA beaches and sometimes even to exclude all access, period.

When all ATV use is shut down in CA the manufacturers will have no market, they need to be more vocal and also advertise
in a more responsible way instead of showing their product throwing a giant rooster tail. the Anti's see that and think all users
operate in that manner.
 
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Mike W.

Well-known member
I agree with this,

Also born and raised in So Cal , California isn't the problem it's the people that live there.
We tapped out last year. just had enough.... life is better on the outside.

Pismo has been chipped away at for years, when I first began visiting the dunes we could enter at Oso Flaco Lake.
As has been said about people that buy a home near a (insert location here)
and then complain about something that has been there for years, decades, centuries...
The plover is an excuse that is used on so many CA beaches and sometimes even to exclude all access, period.

When all ATV use is shut down in CA the manufacturers will have no market, they need to be more vocal and also advertise
in a more responsible way instead of showing their product throwing a giant rooster tail. the Anti's see that and think all users
operate in that manner.
We would go in through the Gonzalez gate by Devil's Slide.. pull the buggy out with our flatbed and build bonfires out of broken pallets..Race the slide all weekend. Still have that sweet blown 400 small block buggy in a garage in California..my first trip to the Dunes was around 1975..Went back probably for the last time last year. I won't spend my dollars in California anymore when I can go to places freedoms are still respected..
 
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