High Center
Adventurer
Agreed, 100%.
40+ Imported Defenders seized by Homeland Security Today (developing story)
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Agreed, 100%.
REDrum
Aventurero de la Selva
Sure it does.
Caveat Emptor applies anytime anyone is considering buying anything. More so with used vehicles and most so with imported grey market vehicles.
A major portion of the allure with Defenders is that they are scarce and/or forbidden in the US, and with that can come lack of traceability. Our legal system is full of cases where consumers didn't apply sufficient caveat emptor with a purchase and now looking for legal recourse; at tax payers expense. People are duped hourly in our country. I'm not saying that that applies to this situation, but, in general, I feel people need to add more skepticism to their business transaction.
As Adam noted in the coming days the legal driver for this situation may put the feds in very different light. But that doesn't reduce the risk of ROW Defender ownership in the US.
Viggen
Just here...
Laughing hilariously at the cherry picking of rules enforcement.
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Keep up the good work...
pugslyyy
Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
I agree.
And just because you buy from a licensed dealer there's not a lot of safety there either.
In North Carolina a car dealer is required to maintain a bond, but it is only $50,000 - not a lot of recourse or safety net through the state.
roverandom
Adventurer
I still feel that a relaxing of rules regarding the legal importation of low numbers of non US market vehicles would significantly reduce the crime associated with it.
It would allow reputable dealers to become involved that ensure the validity of the vehicle in question and at the same time allow customers to be more selective upon purchase.
At the moment you have a situation where an easily stolen/altered vehicle is desperately desired in a country that has strict laws prohibiting them. Step up the 'middle man' and ten eager buyers for each unit he can supply and the result is this mess.
Prohibition does not work. No matter how many bottles you smash. I thought your Feds would have learned that already?
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It would allow reputable dealers to become involved that ensure the validity of the vehicle in question and at the same time allow customers to be more selective upon purchase.
At the moment you have a situation where an easily stolen/altered vehicle is desperately desired in a country that has strict laws prohibiting them. Step up the 'middle man' and ten eager buyers for each unit he can supply and the result is this mess.
Prohibition does not work. No matter how many bottles you smash. I thought your Feds would have learned that already?
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tacr2man
Adventurer
There have been several big prosecutions of landrover theft rings in UK recently , so it is quite possible that info from this end showed a trail to a USA importer , theft of high end cars has also been a focus of NCA but that has been going thru EU to Russia etc .
I have been very concerned about my 86 110 , as it was until very recently all original (now BMW 6cyl TDI) , as it spent 15years in Australia , any in UK are very unlikely to be all original , due salt induced corrosion used in winter ! There are lots advertised as suitable for export to USA , due knowledge of sky high prices in US .
I have been very concerned about my 86 110 , as it was until very recently all original (now BMW 6cyl TDI) , as it spent 15years in Australia , any in UK are very unlikely to be all original , due salt induced corrosion used in winter ! There are lots advertised as suitable for export to USA , due knowledge of sky high prices in US .
Dan Grec
Expedition Leader
Do you have a build thread or more details on that?
I'd love to know what trans you used, what mileage you're getting, what computer control the engine requires, etc. etc. etc.
Thanks!
-Dan
Dolomiti
Adventurer
grimbo
Explorer
The lack of empathy by some is staggering. Can't imagine what it must be like to have enforcement agencies turn up in a group hand over a warrant and then just take your vehicle.
You can do all the checks in the world and still get ripped off. My 4wd has all legally obtained stuff on it but I have no records of any of the purchases. How do you check that?
You can do all the checks in the world and still get ripped off. My 4wd has all legally obtained stuff on it but I have no records of any of the purchases. How do you check that?
superbuickguy
Explorer
pugslyyy
Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
I don't disagree, but you have to realize that this then becomes a philosophical discussion because that's not going to happen. As long as the automakers use their deep pockets to influence this policy (and remember it's there because they lobbied for it) then it is not going to go away.
What has more potential (but we still lack the political will) is harmonizing EU and NA regulations so that automakers build vehicles to a single set of standards. Again, since they like being able to use different pricing models for different markets they aren't going to give up the ability to geographically segment their pricing strategies readily so I don't see it happening.
NCLR015
Adventurer
I'm sure the dealers and manufacturers were happy about the cash for clunkers program, too. They are in business to sell cars.
That being said I can't see the harm in a few old Land Rovers or G-Series or what have you. Not like they'd notice any change in their bottom line.
Regarding safety issues. The big manufacturers should worry about cleaning their own houses.
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Kmrtnsn
Explorer
No, but I've written more than a few.
roverandom
Adventurer
Exactly my thoughts. It's not like Ford is going to loose out on any new F150 sales if a couple of thousand 5-10 year old Defenders hit the US shores. Seriously, until they let it be known they were discontinuing Defender production Land Rover had trouble selling them to anyone. Sales figures were appalling.
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