2012 FJ Cruiser Trail Teams Special Edition

Corey

OverCamping Specialist
It is the styling that really bugs me, not the performance.
Remember now, some parents have really ugly children that only they could love.
The FJ Cruiser is like that to its owners, we see beneath its exterior surface :D

Actually I really dig the looks, and my neck always turns when I see an FJ when I am out driving whether the rig is stone stock or modified.
 

1911

Expedition Leader
I have both, and have used both as a "primary expo vehicle". Their strengths and weaknesses and charms are very different; apples and oranges. I agree that for most people, the 40 would not be an ideal daily driver or expo rig, but they are very fun and satisfying to drive, wheel, and overland nevertheless.

FWIW, here is my take on both, from personal experience. JMHO, YMMV, etc.

The FJ Cruiser is a great compromise of modern comfort & convenience, safety, highway manners, and off-road capability. Sure there are other vehicles that do any one of these things much better, but the FJC does them all very credibly well and with Toyota reliability. Whatever you think of the styling, the name, or anything else about it, there are not many (if any) new vehicles sold at this price point that do all of these together as well as a bone-stock FJC. That you can drive across the country at 80 mph+ in perfect comfort, and still have such a capable off-road vehicle once you get there. Maybe a new 4Runner - I don't know what the going price of a 4R is, but as has been said, they are similar platforms anyway. A new Land Cruiser (and lots of other trucks) would do all this too, but for twice the price. Like I said, the FJC is a compromise but a very good one in all respects, especially for the price. As with most off-road platforms, the aftermarket can make it even better.

The FJ40 on the other hand, is a 30-40-year-old truck, designed before the interstate highway system was built, in a time when few cars had air conditioners and seat belts were an option. The fun in driving a 40 (or a Series Land Rover, a Defender, a Bronco, a Scout, a jeep CJ, or any other old car or motorcycle) is to appreciate it for what it is, not what it is not (compared to modern vehicles). You can't be in a hurry to get anywhere, and you have to be willing to put up with the leaf-spring ride, the lack of power steering and A/C, and you can't take a ton of equipment with you - but if you are willing to accept these limitations and enjoy it for what it is, there is nothing more fun to drive or wheel. Sure, you can modify the crap out of it to have all modern conveniences including coil springs and a big V8, but then you don't really have a classic Land Cruiser anymore, you have something else.

To me, it is pointless to try and build a modern version of a 40, or a Defender, etc. To do so completely misses the point - that these old trucks are elemental, purpose-built off-road trucks that couldn't be sold today, mostly because the market for them would be miniscule and hence unprofitable. Any styling or naming conventions for new trucks borrowed from the old ones are just marketing hype for the masses.
 
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RR1

Explorer
To me, it is pointless to try and build a modern version of a 40, or a Defender, etc. To do so completely misses the point - that these old trucks are elemental, purpose-built off-road trucks that couldn't be sold today, mostly because the market for them would be miniscule and hence unprofitable. Any styling or naming conventions for new trucks borrowed from the old ones are just marketing hype for the masses.

Not that I am fan boy for the Jeep, but seems like they have accomplished that best of both worlds great styling, purposed built and modern convenances, and are out selling the FJ by leaps and bounds.

I dunno, still think Toyota should of gone that direction, as I assume there people like me, either going to build exactly what they want from an older vehicle or switch brands.
 
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1911

Expedition Leader
Not that I am fan boy for the Jeep, but seems like they have accomplished that best of both worlds great styling, purposed built and modern convenances, and are out selling the FJ by leaps and bounds.

Personally I'm not a fan either, but I have never heard the modern jeeps described as comfortable to drive on the freeway or particularly reliable. But I have to hand it to Chrysler that they do sell a lot of them, and that you can buy one with a low-geared transfer case and lockers in both ends from the factory.
 

SRUPike

Observer
Hmm this may be my first step in an EXPO type vehicle. Anyone know when SET dealers might be getting these?
 

RR1

Explorer
Personally I'm not a fan either, but I have never heard the modern jeeps described as comfortable to drive on the freeway or particularly reliable. .

Why I want a Toyota version.:ylsmoke:

Only if I can get 4 door HJ47, with a modern drive train...going to have to build it myself.

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While what I want does exist in today's market, it is ungodly expensive.:Wow1:

Why Toyota doesn't mass produce this is beyond me....Icon had to build their own.


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cnynrat

Expedition Leader
I dunno, I see many 40's being DD's running around here.:

All depends on your routine I guess. 50 miles a day droning back and forth to work on the LA freeways ... no thanks. Carry my three dogs to the vet or the groomer .. not even close to fitting in an FJ-40. The size and creature comforts present too many compromises for my use.

It isn't that much of leap to modernize a 40 either. Toss in a EFI small block Chevy and link the suspension...maybe some AC from Vintage Air. Price would be in the ball park of a new FJ Cruiser, and you can take the top off...:ylsmoke:

For me, this also kind of rules it out as a DD. For a DD I need a car, not a project. And like 1911, I don't think that's an FJ-40 anymore.


I guess I don't "get" the FJ....while the 4Runner exist, why don't they sell a stripped down version of the Runner...with rubber flooring and waterproof seats? I don't see a "need" for the FJ. I get the new Wranglers though, wish Toyota went that direction, is what I am saying.

I would have been seriously interested in a stripped down 4 Runner. Actually, any 4 Runner for that matter. Problem is, it has a serious lack of headroom and I don't fit in one, at least that was the case for the previous generation. Haven't sat in one of the new ones yet, but I'm not sure I'm wild about the looks of that one.

I suspect that like almost every Toyota fan here on ExPo who is located in N. America, I'd love Toyota to being a modern, basic, cost effective, solid front axle based platform over here. For me, preferrably with a turbo diesel. My assessment: ain't going to happen because the market is too small.

So what do you do? You choose the best compromise for your application and tastes.

Different strokes for different folks. :elkgrin:
 

SirCampalot

Adventurer
I really enjoyed my FJC while I had it. It drove very nicely and performed well off-road. What really pisses me off is the fact that Toyota is aware of the problem with the inner fender crumple zone cracking/tearing on the FJ Cruiser, yet they continue to sell these vehicles without addressing the issue. Maybe they did try to address the issue, as they've revised the inner fender design at least two times. Their attempts were unsuccessful. There are many theories as to why these fenders are busting up... bottom line is, it shouldn't happen. Toyota markets these vehicles as off-road capable and a little pothole in the road shouldn't spoil the fun.
 

RR1

Explorer
All depends on your routine I guess. 50 miles a day droning back and forth to work on the LA freeways ... no thanks. Carry my three dogs to the vet or the groomer .. not even close to fitting in an FJ-40. The size and creature comforts present too many compromises for my use.

If I had a 50 mile commute I don't think a FJ would be my first choice...most likely an Audi or BMW sedan, and have a dedicated adventure rig. My commute is only 5 miles (round trip) I mostly ride the bicycle. The vehicles usually get used on the weekends and long distance travel. Walking distance to my dog groomer too.

Yeah the size of the FJ40 is a bit tight, the FJ43 from Icon...seems like the perfect size though, but $$$$$$$$.:ylsmoke:

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For me, this also kind of rules it out as a DD. For a DD I need a car, not a project. And like 1911, I don't think that's an FJ-40 anymore.

No need for a project, could always have someone build it for you and you just turn the key. I have several vehicles...I just grab the one that I am not working on, I do keep them all in tip-top shape...one is rarely down for long. Nice to have spares. That reminds me, my VW Westy needs to get into the shop for new shoes...(where does the time go!?)



I would have been seriously interested in a stripped down 4 Runner. Actually, any 4 Runner for that matter. Problem is, it has a serious lack of headroom and I don't fit in one, at least that was the case for the previous generation. Haven't sat in one of the new ones yet, but I'm not sure I'm wild about the looks of that one.


So what do you do? You choose the best compromise for your application and tastes.

Different strokes for different folks. :elkgrin:

If a stripped down Runner was available, I don't see a need for the FJ...I can't get over its' looks personally, as you well know. I would run out and buy (today) a Toyota mass produced modernized FJ40-series like the Icon, Jeep did it....

Those Icons were spawned by Mr Toyoda requesting that TLC build prototypes for the "next" Toyota model. Toyota introduced the FJ Cruiser instead, then Mr. Ward decided to reincarnate the FJ40 series...kinda cool if you think about it.


http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/features/toyota/0711_4wd_toyota_fj_cruiser_prototype/viewall.html


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Yep different strokes for different folks, we all have varying tastes and needs. This would be a boring place if we were all the same.
 
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SWITAWI

Doesn't Get Out Enough
I really enjoyed my FJC while I had it. It drove very nicely and performed well off-road. What really pisses me off is the fact that Toyota is aware of the problem with the inner fender crumple zone cracking/tearing on the FJ Cruiser, yet they continue to sell these vehicles without addressing the issue. Maybe they did try to address the issue, as they've revised the inner fender design at least two times. Their attempts were unsuccessful. There are many theories as to why these fenders are busting up... bottom line is, it shouldn't happen. Toyota markets these vehicles as off-road capable and a little pothole in the road shouldn't spoil the fun.

I completely agree with your opinion of Toyota's marketing strategy, but I have yet to see any '09-'11 FJ Cruisers (with the inner fender redesign) with cracks/bulges. My '08 has not developed this problem yet, and I believe only a small percentage of the total trucks produced have had this happen, but it should never have happened in the first place. They should not market a vehicle with pictures of of it crawling over a trail and then tell someone their aftermarket skid plates caused the inner fender to crack or that they will not fix something under warranty because the vehicle is 'dirty' and therefore must have been abused. Those things have actually happened...

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/foru...do-you-have-inner-fender-bulges-cracking.html
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/To...blem-Deserves-A-Real-Solution/117966271607395
 

ETAV8R

Founder of D.E.R.P.
It would be great if Toyota released a new Landcruiser. It would definitely take away from the Jeep market. I would consider one.
 

Wilbur

Adventurer
I will add my 2 cents, I bought my FJC after driving 2 Jeep Cherokees before. Reasons I bought the FJC were room, reliablity and price for what I was gaining, but if they offered a 4runner with same package for around same price I would have bought it.

I don't think I'd ever buy another Chrysler product again, I had too many issues with their products than I like.
 

TangoBlue

American Adventurist
It would be great if Toyota released a new Landcruiser. It would definitely take away from the Jeep market. I would consider one.

It is great... Toyota has offered the 200-series Land Cruiser since this model re-design was introduced in 2008. The 205 turbo-diesel is found outside US market and sports the 4.5 L V8 1VZ engine.

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ETAV8R

Founder of D.E.R.P.
It is great... Toyota has offered the 200-series Land Cruiser since this model re-design was introduced in 2008. The 205 turbo-diesel is found outside US market and sports the 4.5 L V8 1VZ engine.

Not even close to what I was wishing for. Retro style to compete with Jeeps.
 

dsrtdcab

Adventurer
I will take that powerplant in my FJ! I half considered another V8 4runner, but there is something that speaks to me about my truck. I don't think there is anything out there that available in the US that does that. Not even my 05 taco double cab. I loved the outrigjt versatility of that rig but it never spoke to me the way the FJ does.
Nick
 

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