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They seem similarly equipped. What are the pros and cons of each? Which vehicles’ cons can you better handle on long trips? The FJ is extremely capable and reliable. Great wheelbase and approach/departure angles. It’s also fairly easy/cheap to go mid-travel on it. To me, a major con is that...

Did both pictured vehicles spend their days in the same climate with the same level of attention given to the frame? My 2012 4Runner at 135k miles looked better than both. I don’t have any pics of the underside though. Traded it in because we outgrew it.

i appreciate the discussion, and I don’t feel like you’re attacking me at all. From what I’ve read, Dana didn’t properly coat the frames they made for Toyota for years. Dana has had to pay Toyota $25M for that colossal issue of Tacoma frames rusting prematurely. That was settled in 2011. There...

I’m not defending the issue. I’m just not sold on the idea that it *is still* an issue. Posting a pic of a vehicle that could have potentially been driven through a decade or more of salt roads every winter with no proactive protection doesn’t tell me that there is still an undeniable frame...

how old is that 4Runner? If that’s a 2010 (first year of 5th gen), there’s a chance it was built in late 2009. If it has spent its life in the north, that’s 11 winters of snow and salt. Any vehicle’s frame could look like that if not proactively taken care of. All that to say, I don’t believe...

That was a huge debacle for sure. Isn’t it incredible that they’re still beating everyone else at the long term reliability game *in spite of* the frame issues of the 90s/00s?

...by Toyota. You know what he means. Japanese automakers (Toyota in particular) have a well deserved reputation for reliability, regardless of where in the world they choose to build their vehicles. Check out the video in the OP. There are tangible and quantifiable reasons Toyotas generally...

My new Tundra’s cloth seats are neither ventilated nor heated, and I am not uncomfortable in the slightest. If they were leather, however, I’d be freezing every time I got into my truck in the winter without heaters. Leather has always been a higher trim level/luxury appointment, and I wouldn’t...

As far as I’m aware, that site is the first study to aggregate high numbers of vehicles for all manufacturers. It has been running for four years and counting. If we’re surprised at any of the results, it’s maybe because of our preconceived biases or anecdotal experiences, which are based on far...

I wish we could get the Hilux here as well, but the Tacoma is very reliable all on its own, even if it isn’t as capable as the Hilux.

Or, they’re just not playing the game everyone else is. They’re not building as if they expect you to buy a new one every few years. I know I personally place a high premium on the long term reliability that comes from their design philosophy.

Context helps. Go to the Hummer page. It’s a pretty small sample size. 7245 vehicles. The H2 is skewing high long-term reliability and the H3 is skewing low. Insufficient data for the H1.

This will come as no surprise: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/the-most-reliable-2021-full-size-pickup-trucks-according-to-consumer-reports/ I don’t doubt that there are people out there, maybe yourself included, who have had good experiences over the long term with Ford or Nissan. But generally...

Interesting video here from Donut regarding Toyota’s design and manufacturing philosophy. Toyota‘s Reliability Secrets REVEALED • “Jidouka” — automation with a human touch • “Kaizen” — change for the better • practicality over performance • halt production when needed — 2,000 production...

It worked best for us when we approached it as if we were backpacking (read: packing very light). I kept three Plano 1719 trunks in the back along with our cooler. One held our Marmot Halo 6, one held our entire camp kitchen and fire starting supplies, and the last had a large tarp and some of...

I used to take my family of 5 plus a dog out on trips in a 4Runner, and as our kids grew we just became too cramped for space. I threw as much gear as I could on the roof, but we were maxed out. Constantly climbing up and down to set up and tear down camp was kind of annoying, too. I solved my...

Sequoia is comfy for sure. But if you’re doing anything more difficult than gravel roads, I’d go with a Tundra for the solid rear axle and bed space. A crewmax would have more than enough interior space for a car seat and other gear, like a fridge. Lots of guys remove the passenger side rear...

Curious what the OP went with! The Ford certainly wins on features, options, power, towing, and mpg. But the Tundra is a solid truck that feels great towing and lasts longer without major issues than any other 1/2 ton. I guess that’s the upside to keeping the same drivetrain for 13 years.

Love this thread Following!

Your threads are just about my favorites on ExPo. Your other one is half the reason I bought a Tundra! Great stuff. Thanks for sharing