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laurie-the-lorry
08-28-2008, 11:26 PM
So how cheap was your Jeep?

My wife and I bought this one in Chennai, India - at the start of 2005 (Just after the tsunami). Billy as we creatively named him was working as a dump truck on a building site moving dirt. He had no seats {the driver sat on a box}, no windshield or lights, no brakes, no canvass or hoops or any electrics. In fact not much of anything really. But he looked cute and I decided he was going to be our expedition vehicle! Yes I am a little crazy!

Everything in India is for sale, so I asked the driver how much he wanted for his dump-truck, after a while (Indian time - so a long while) we understood each other. He phoned his boss and within 20 minutes, a moped came screeching up with a fellow that proclaimed to be the owner. We negotiated long and hard, he started at $1,000, I laughed and started at $200. Eventually we made a deal at $600 but within that deal he was to replace the steering box, buy lights, screen, seats etc. After confirming he owned the vehicle with a title, I paid $300 and left him to get our new expedition truck ready!

Two weeks passed as we had to make a quick visit back to the UK, and when I returned to Chennai of course not a thing had been done to Billy, the owner wanted more money and was not he was not getting it. I then visited his shop daily, and watched as he collected the oldest worst set of replacement bits possible. Eventually I gave him another $200 and took Billy away.

I built a dash as you can see from the fine checker plate, fitted some gauges; made the brakes work, added two seats and we were off. As expected, it did not last for long. This is our first breakdown when the gearbox exploded in Chennai. The thing about India is you are never short of willing helpers and more often then not the helpers are more of a hindrance. But their hearts are always in the right place and if you can find your patience it can actually turn out to be quite a interesting sport trying to keep all your tools within eye sight, no “spare” parts from leaving and joking with them all the same.

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We spent the next couple of months working on the leprosy colonies around Chennai and Chengulpet. Here is a picture of one of our leprosy-afflicted patients, not for the faint hearted!

Pic here (http://lh6.ggpht.com/tamara.bowen/SLcOY4_juVI/AAAAAAAAAdk/-sAG7WYRyRc/s400/Ali%20301-1.jpg)

Billy became a favorite of the kids we were looking after at the two-hostels/schools we were running. Although by our standards they had endured a rough first few years on this planet, it never ceased to amaze me how resilient these kids were with endless smiles!

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This picture is of Billy on the top of a hill at Kumily in Kerela (a great hill station we loved ) . We had endured a few months of parched arid land and constant 40 degree temperature in Tamil Nadu we were told that 2005 was the hottest summer for decades in the region. I cannot tell you how good it felt to drive into the hills and see greenery. It was literally a breath of fresh air!

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The journey and the hills took it’s toll on Billy. We limped into Kumily with only the front axle pulling - the rear differential had literally exploded. We had also lost the brakes again (lucky we were going up hill) and I needed a wheel bearing and another gearbox rebuild. But as always he got us to our destination. I actually can punctuate our trip more easily as to what I repaired and when:

So during our 18,000 mile journey
• I rebuilt the engine - Chennai
• Changed the engine out after it blew up again for a junk yard diesel Tata engine - Pondicherry
• Changed the brakes 3 times - Chenai, Kumily Goa, eventually updating to the 1960’s dual brakes, after three very close calls when we lost brakes altogether
• Rebuilt the gearbox twice – Chennai, Kumily
• Had a canvas roof made – Kerela, when we decided that driving around uncovered in the monsoon was a bit silly really
• Changed the windscreen – Kerela
• Rebuilt the rear diff - Kerela
• New shocks - Goa
The list is endless, but to me it was more than half the fun, even tho I must admit Tamara had the patience of a saint sitting on the side of the road entertaining all the children for hours that come to see what’s happening. All part of a yearlong 18,000-mile journey and my rig cost less than $3,000 with all the repairs and replacements!

Ok it’s not your usual expo rig, maybe a bit rough. For the first 4 months we didn’t have a canvass or hoops, we didn’t need them because it was dry as a bone. When the monsoons arrived we were at a hill station, and boy did it rain! I became very adept at driving down the road in monsoon conditions with my head pocking around the windshield with squinted eyes. We never got round to fitting windshield wipers. I drove like that for ages it felt like.

We slept in Billy once or twice, I had the boxes in the back made to keep our stuff safe and the dog on-top worked wonders as a burglar alarm. We adopted Falcor (the black and white dog) on route, or maybe I should correct that Falcor adopted us! We stayed mainly at cheap motels and a variety of other lodgings, our normal daily expense was around $20 this included food, fuel, lodging, alcohol, cigarettes, maintenance the whole caboodle.
Having Billy allowed us to steer clear of the Banana pancake trail and find the cheaper more entertaining accommodation.

I eventually gave him a lick of paint; these photos are on the way to Diu.

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And the last couple here are in Udaipur, Billy is all dressed up for Diwali!

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We really did fall in love with Billy, we still own him! He is being used by a friend in Udaipur. I wanted to bring him to the States but I have a feeling he may not be DOT approved!

So how cheap was your Jeep? $500? Plus a bit in preparation!

Sorry if it’s a long post I got a bit carried a away, reminiscing is always good!

flyingwil
08-28-2008, 11:40 PM
What a cool story!

isaac
08-29-2008, 12:56 AM
Great post, keep the faith! Are you guys still here?

- Isaac (and Jenny) in AP

The Swiss
08-29-2008, 01:48 AM
We really did fall in love with Billy, we still own him! He is being used by a friend in Udaipur. I wanted to bring him to the States but I have a feeling he may not be DOT approved!As lon as Billy is older than 25 years old, you can import it without a problem. Then I think it depends a bit on where you are living. Here in NW Georgia, you would not have too much trouble as long as you have insurance.

Big Daddy Chia
08-29-2008, 02:24 AM
I payed 2200 for my XJ. But it was in fairly good condition. Spent about another 5k in upgrades and repairs.

BIGdaddy
08-29-2008, 07:47 AM
about $20,000...lol.

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worth every penny so far:

Reliable.

very small carbon footprint.

18-19mpg.

I've had SO much fun with it.

Nary a problem.

laurie-the-lorry
08-29-2008, 05:02 PM
Hey Isaac & Jenny,

How long have you been in Andhra Pradesh? And how long are you staying? We are no longer in India, we miss it the craziness of life there. Its not all bad for us thou, we are in the States at present and have probably got the next few years in Sub-Saharan-Africa.

I remember arriving in India for the first time many years ago, after clearing customs I stood outside the main airport building thinking ‘Gosh this place is dirty’.
A few months later I returned to the same airport to depart, I couldn’t believe how clean the airport was, I was convinced somebody had cleaned it and the surrounding are up. I questioned a chap at the airport on the miracle clean up, and his response was:

“No sir, we have always cleaned the airport for many years, Its for the tourists you see!”

I then realized how over the couple of months my senses had lessened, and I had stopped noticing things as much. Armed with this information when Tamara and I returned to India for work and our trip we pledged to not start taking India for granted. We failed miserably, we took far too few pictures, we always had tomorrow, and we occasionally forgot to stop and enjoy those special Indian sights.

We really didn’t appreciate how much we loved India until it was too late and we had left!

I forgot to mention our first and most important modification to Billy in my first post, more important than round wheels, more important than a running engine, more important than anything else!

You simply cannot drive in India without a good pair of horns. And the two I fitted on the front of Billy I wired to a push button on the floor. Mainly so I could sound my horns and wave to the locals!

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And here are some locals!

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The Swiss
08-29-2008, 05:30 PM
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Considering that cows are sacred in India, does this make this truck a .. church bus??? :D

Sorry couldn't resist..

laurie-the-lorry
08-29-2008, 05:35 PM
LMAO :wings:

jh504
08-29-2008, 10:56 PM
I am proud to say that I only have about $3,500 in my XJ. I bought it already lifted for $2,300. It was a mall runner and had never really been offroad, so it was in great shape. I have since put the other $1,200 in upgrades, and still counting.

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Scott Brady
08-30-2008, 05:09 PM
Great story.

My first jeep was about $1,300, and had similar issues to yours. My newest is about 100x the first one...

grahamfitter
09-01-2008, 11:21 PM
Truly wonderful. I think I spent more than that just replacing the exhaust manifold several times!

Cheers,
Graham

TCM
09-09-2008, 08:26 AM
Well quite a bit more than what Billy cost. I am afraid I will have close to $50K into my Jeep by the time it is finished. I am obsessive and perfection is not cheap.

SWbySWesty
07-22-2009, 09:00 PM
Bringing up a dead thread since it's fun.

I got my XJ for free. Currently about to dump 5K into it for lift, bumpers, tire carrier, exo cage, wheels and tires.

evilfij
07-23-2009, 12:03 AM
$2k for my 97 TJ with the only options on it being running boards and the speaker board thing (4 banger, 5 speed, no AC). $600 for a hardtop, $300 for a new rad, $500 for a new clutch installed, $60 for a used softtop, $150 for two new tires, $150 for new door tops, $40 for a spare wheel, $50 for the shocks and springs off a rubi and I sold her for $4k when done. So -$200.

BKCowGod
07-23-2009, 09:32 AM
I am $1,969 into mine.

Blatantly copied from my build thread (http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25897)

Completed Projects/Modifications:
* Tracked down and defeated all vacuum leaks
* Installed upgraded wiring harness
* High amperage alternator
* Engine rebuild: Bored out, RV cammed
* High capacity radiator
* 3" suspension lift
* 1" body lift
* Edelbrock Shocks
* 33" mud terrain tires on steel wheels
* Tad-Rack roof rack with hi-lift mount
* Headliner & Steering wheel from '88 Grand Wagoneer
* Custom rear carpet installed (was bare metal)
* Upgraded ignition system to Ford TFI, MSD coil, Ford Motorsports wires
* Custom front bumper
* Replaced stereo & broken window with unbreakable lexan
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emohn
07-23-2009, 12:30 PM
I bought my 98 TJ for $3900 back in May. It's a 6cyl, auto sport package and came with a hardtop, a leaky and noisy rear axle and rust in the front fenders. It also had 166k miles on the odometer (which works occassionally) :Wow1: . Since purchase, I paid $900 for a set of Rubicon wheels and tires (with probably 70-80% tread remaining), aannnnd complete running gear (front and rear axles with 3.73 gearing, suspension, and steering bits, pretty much everything from the body tub down) off a 40k miles 2004 TJ. Those bits were all installed along with a Rough Country 2.5" suspension lift and shocks to bring the Jeep to its current status. All total, I've still got less than $5k in it as it sits.

http://emohn.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=15270&g2_serialNumber=2

Need to throw the top and doors back on it today, after a rather soggy ride to work yesterday. I'll probably start on some rear storage this weekend and order a rear bumper with receiver hitch so that I can pull a pop-up camper down to Big South Fork in a month or so.

-Erik

getlost4x4
07-23-2009, 02:33 PM
about $27K :Wow1:

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Tanto
07-24-2009, 02:11 AM
Great story, my first was new a 1996 Cherokee. The next with the mods...about $34,000. I bought it new in 2000. Almost embarrassing after reading that story.

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laurie-the-lorry
06-01-2011, 08:34 PM
Am back in India after 6 years, mainly Africa and the USA, time to see billy, am writing a blog on this trip, am I allowed to post that here? Year or so since I have been on this wonderful forum, hello again expo

SWbySWesty
06-01-2011, 08:39 PM
Holy thread revival, Batman! Yes, if you are going to blog about the trip, place it in the "In Progress" section of the main forum. :) We'd love to read!

laurie-the-lorry
06-01-2011, 08:50 PM
I will, but it isnt really a trip. I have driven across Africa, the USA and all of europe, India is what it is. you have no open borders. This drive is more of a driving adventure. I intend to drive buses In KolKuta, and trucks across India. Billy is part of it. but not sure it counts as an expo. Adventure travel yes, expo possibly not ;-(

SWbySWesty
06-01-2011, 09:08 PM
Then into the adventure section it goes and just say it's ongoing! :D

alexfm
06-02-2011, 04:44 AM
Well, Im proud to say I've sunk about $1700 into my ExPo XJ. Including the $900 it cost to buy it. :D Thats also including new tires ($473) and a new distributor ($150). :sombrero:

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